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#1 LUK3isH3RE
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This might sound like a weird question, but does anyone else think that trees look washed out in games on HD?

Like, in games such as Just Cause, it's very noticeable because alot of the area is Jungle. Has anybody else notcied this?

Also, on some games, such as when playing gears online, some of the scenery is noticeably Jaggy.

Is this just me, or have a lot of people noticed it?

Thanks, in advance.

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#2 36O
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if your not using HD cables probably, but if you are then your seeing things.
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#3 LUK3isH3RE
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I'm using the VGA, and it's on the setting that's almost the same as my TV's resolution.
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#4 36O
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VGA is the normal cables right (like the ones that come with it, sorry but Im not here to memorize all the names)? That works, but your not playing in HD just on a HDTV which makes things just a tad jaggy or unclear. Then again, Just Cause aint that great of a game, it might be the game.
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#5 weinervil_basic
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get your eyes/equipment checked.

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#6 LUK3isH3RE
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VGA is the normal cables right (like the ones that come with it, sorry but Im not here to memorize all the names)? That works, but your not playing in HD just on a HDTV which makes things just a tad jaggy or unclear. Then again, Just Cause aint that great of a game, it might bethe game.36O

VGA cables, you have to buy seperatly. They can connect your 360 to a Monitor.

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#7 karmageddon2k4
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I don't play with VGA as i own my nice HD TV but VGA is probably why you're having an issue. If the resolution isn't just right you'll have visual issues. You probably don't have the resolution correct, because i know on my TV everything looks excellent.
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#8 LUK3isH3RE
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I've tried on component aswell.

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Hey LUK3isH3RE, are you using an HDTV or a computer monitor?
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#10 MJ0LNIR_SPARTAN
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Not only do you have to get the resolution right but it also helps a lot if you calibrate the tv correctly.
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Did you flip the switch from TV to HDTV?
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#12 LUK3isH3RE
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I'm using a 26" Samsung LCD HD TV. I don't need to flick from TV to HDTV because I'm using VGA.

And when you say "calibrate the TV" what do you mean?

(Thanks for the feedback so far)

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I still need some clairification on what cables you are using. If you look at the cables plugged into your TV (from the 360) - is the video cable a YELLOW circular type connector (RCA, or "composite"), a blue rectangular cable (VGA for connectivity to monitors) or is it RED/GREEN/BLUE ("Component" - like DVD players) ??

If you are using "Composite" cable (YELLOW) - then no, the switch should not be in HDTV mode.

If you are using "VGA" (blue regtangular cable)or "Component" (RED/GREEN/BLUE cables), then YES, your switch should be in HDTV mode.

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I still need some clairification on what cables you are using. If you look at the cables plugged into your TV (from the 360) - is the video cable a YELLOW circular type connector (RCA, or "composite"), a blue rectangular cable (VGA for connectivity to monitors) or is it RED/GREEN/BLUE ("Component" - like DVD players) ??

If you are using "Composite" cable (YELLOW) - then no, the switch should not be in HDTV mode.

If you are using "VGA" (blue regtangular cable)or "Component" (RED/GREEN/BLUE cables), then YES, your switch should be in HDTV mode.

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I'm using VGA. There's no switch on it and the resolution on my X360 is right.

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i played my 360 on a normal widescreen for 6 months, and then on a hd for about the same time and now im back on the origional widescreen tv. i can clearly say that hd makes the graphics MUCH BETTER!!! when i iswitched back to normal tv it felt like i was playing on a ps2!
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#16 master_49
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I'm using VGA. There's no switch on it and the resolution on my X360 is right.

LUK3isH3RE

Excellent. Tell me - what is the resolution of your LCD? Is it 1080i/1080p (1920x1080), 720p (1280x720)? The key to making things look normal is to acces your XBOX 360 video setup on the system blade. Ensure that you select the highest video resolution your monitor can support.

If the trees don't look normal at your current resolution, try another lower resolution. Does this solve the problem?

Also re: Calibration - many LCD monitors and HDTV/EDTV televisions come with an 'auto-tune' button (sometimes called auto-focus, magic focus, etc) that will automatically calibrate your montior. Almost all HDTV screens have advanced calibration where by your can check for (and fix) screen ghosting and other video issues. Check your TV manual or manufacturer's website - they will tell you how to do this.

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#17 LUK3isH3RE
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The resolution of my TV is 1366 x 768.
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we are in transition right now for next gen. they might say there next gen, but, its 50/50 with 1080p to 1080i. some games have it some don't. meaning, they haven't done the work properly or expected for this many people to play with these setting. in there eyes majority rules. so, if the majority of gamers don't have the best set up why waste the time in giveing that out if it's hardly going to be used.

give you example battlefield 2. it really was a port from xbox. then they patched it. then xbox patched 1080i. if you play the game in 1080p, your going to wind up with 60 fps. which is going to give you more detials. thus hindering your sight. smoke trails, distances, a battle haze, from all the fighting and a lot more shading.

now if you move your setting to 1080i this will knock it down to 30 fps which then will cut out time from battle haze. so, lets say a smoke garnade has a time of .5 seconds. well in 30 fps in a 1080i that smoke will dissipate faster then in a 1080p setting. see people fail to realize that in the FUTURE FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS will be at a disadvantage playing a person on a standard or projection or anything less then hd. because there sets cannot compute the full range of what the game offers.

now pit that vs someone who has 1080p elite with hdmi and 1080p. they got the best stuff but, they'll be at a disadvantage because of the resolution in the 60 frame per second.

now if you have a game like shadowrun this game is truly a next gen game. no motion blurr, and the there is no haze. this game was made with pc in mind too. but, thats the way game should look. on 1080. same as halo 3 its a true HD game. now you take a nightmare like call of juarez this game is new but, it does not have the money behind it to make it a next gen HD game meaning, the shading is bad and you get a lot of motion blurr and HD HAZE. so, it was not made for hd players in mind for multiplayer.

when you have games that are not made in next gen graphic format. i find the best way to get best of both worlds outta your game is to play on a 1080i projection tv if its not a true next gen hd game. this will give you the standard type shading with the hd images. that you need to be a good first person shooter. so, you see there are big differences for people who play with first person shooters. but,

if your not a multiplayer person. this really doesn't apply to you for that fact a first person shooter or third person. because these things can effect your game. most don't realize it and blame it on lag or something else. but, those are the reason you might be losing those close battles in fps multiplayer game. if you cant see the other guy before he see you.

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#19 master_49
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Cool - try picking 1360x768 as your video resolution (via the blade I mentioned before).

If that doesn't work, you can try the following lower resolutions to see if it helps: 1280x1024, 1280x768, 1280x720, 1024x768, 848x480, 640x480.

An interesting thing to note- all XBOX 360 games render internally at 720p. They are upscaled/downscaled to whatever video resolution you select above. This is why some games look teriffic at some resolutions and fugly on others.

GOOD LUCK!

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#20 LUK3isH3RE
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OK, thanks for the info all.
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#21 phoenixrebirth
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Do u have the spring update installed? It was suppose to fix that washed out tone of the display when using vga cables. Noticed I said "suppose to"cause i have since switched to hdmi so I couldnt verify that. Yea sounds like your native res on your tv is 1366 x 728. The 360 auto detects your best res to display when using vga cables so if u are set on 1366 x 728 good betdats the best res yur tv can handle.

If thats the case dumbing down the res might make the picture look worse. Then again the game yur running aint the best visually to be honest. Try Ghost Recon 2,Gears, or Call of Juarezto see if the picture's better. It should be.

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My fault dude. I didnt read the part where u mentioned Gears. Hmm. Could be your monitor. Vga is actually the best method of display other then dvi or hdmi. Hmm. Dunno man. Does sound like u dont have the spring update.If u do have the update then..dont know what to tell ya. Sry.
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we are in transition right now for next gen. they might say there next gen, but, its 50/50 with 1080p to 1080i. some games have it some don't. meaning, they haven't done the work properly or expected for this many people to play with these setting. in there eyes majority rules. so, if the majority of gamers don't have the best set up why waste the time in giveing that out if it's hardly going to be used.

give you example battlefield 2. it really was a port from xbox. then they patched it. then xbox patched 1080i. if you play the game in 1080p, your going to wind up with 60 fps. which is going to give you more detials. thus hindering your sight. smoke trails, distances, a battle haze, from all the fighting and a lot more shading.

now if you move your setting to 1080i this will knock it down to 30 fps which then will cut out time from battle haze. so, lets say a smoke garnade has a time of .5 seconds. well in 30 fps in a 1080i that smoke will dissipate faster then in a 1080p setting. see people fail to realize that in the FUTURE FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS will be at a disadvantage playing a person on a standard or projection or anything less then hd. because there sets cannot compute the full range of what the game offers.

now pit that vs someone who has 1080p elite with hdmi and 1080p. they got the best stuff but, they'll be at a disadvantage because of the resolution in the 60 frame per second.

now if you have a game like shadowrun this game is truly a next gen game. no motion blurr, and the there is no haze. this game was made with pc in mind too. but, thats the way game should look. on 1080. same as halo 3 its a true HD game. now you take a nightmare like call of juarez this game is new but, it does not have the money behind it to make it a next gen HD game meaning, the shading is bad and you get a lot of motion blurr and HD HAZE. so, it was not made for hd players in mind for multiplayer.

when you have games that are not made in next gen graphic format. i find the best way to get best of both worlds outta your game is to play on a 1080i projection tv if its not a true next gen hd game. this will give you the standard type shading with the hd images. that you need to be a good first person shooter. so, you see there are big differences for people who play with first person shooters. but,

if your not a multiplayer person. this really doesn't apply to you for that fact a first person shooter or third person. because these things can effect your game. most don't realize it and blame it on lag or something else. but, those are the reason you might be losing those close battles in fps multiplayer game. if you cant see the other guy before he see you.

F1sTDaCuffS

Does this mean that games will start looking better and better for HD users.

I must say, even though Shadowrun isn't the most graphically impressive game, it does look pretty nice on HD in comparison to some other games.

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Try moving your black level to extended in the options menu as lcd's hooked up by vga like to make the blacks more of a gray. Info found here: http://www.dailytech.com/Xbox+360+Spring+Update+Improves+VGA+Image+Quality/article7216.htm
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[QUOTE="F1sTDaCuffS"]

we are in transition right now for next gen. they might say there next gen, but, its 50/50 with 1080p to 1080i. some games have it some don't. meaning, they haven't done the work properly or expected for this many people to play with these setting. in there eyes majority rules. so, if the majority of gamers don't have the best set up why waste the time in giveing that out if it's hardly going to be used.

give you example battlefield 2. it really was a port from xbox. then they patched it. then xbox patched 1080i. if you play the game in 1080p, your going to wind up with 60 fps. which is going to give you more detials. thus hindering your sight. smoke trails, distances, a battle haze, from all the fighting and a lot more shading.

now if you move your setting to 1080i this will knock it down to 30 fps which then will cut out time from battle haze. so, lets say a smoke garnade has a time of .5 seconds. well in 30 fps in a 1080i that smoke will dissipate faster then in a 1080p setting. see people fail to realize that in the FUTURE FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS will be at a disadvantage playing a person on a standard or projection or anything less then hd. because there sets cannot compute the full range of what the game offers.

now pit that vs someone who has 1080p elite with hdmi and 1080p. they got the best stuff but, they'll be at a disadvantage because of the resolution in the 60 frame per second.

now if you have a game like shadowrun this game is truly a next gen game. no motion blurr, and the there is no haze. this game was made with pc in mind too. but, thats the way game should look. on 1080. same as halo 3 its a true HD game. now you take a nightmare like call of juarez this game is new but, it does not have the money behind it to make it a next gen HD game meaning, the shading is bad and you get a lot of motion blurr and HD HAZE. so, it was not made for hd players in mind for multiplayer.

when you have games that are not made in next gen graphic format. i find the best way to get best of both worlds outta your game is to play on a 1080i projection tv if its not a true next gen hd game. this will give you the standard type shading with the hd images. that you need to be a good first person shooter. so, you see there are big differences for people who play with first person shooters. but,

if your not a multiplayer person. this really doesn't apply to you for that fact a first person shooter or third person. because these things can effect your game. most don't realize it and blame it on lag or something else. but, those are the reason you might be losing those close battles in fps multiplayer game. if you cant see the other guy before he see you.

LUK3isH3RE

Does this mean that games will start looking better and better for HD users.

I must say, even though Shadowrun isn't the most graphically impressive game, it does look pretty nice on HD in comparison to some other games.

yes, h3 and shadowrun will set the bar for hd gaming. not that i like halo 3, but, i like what microsoft is doing, its raising the bar for next gen users. but, if yo look at shadowrun, you might say its not the most impressive graphical game, but, you can say there's no haze and no motion blurr and you can make the game rich in color and sharpness based on your hd. between setting 8-10 ten being the max, you can get very detailed on surfaces but, may bring in too much light and distract you. this is true for games that have trees like battlefield two, or something like that. so, you wanna bring your sharpness around 7-8. but, i really am wondering about COD 4 and how its lighting is going to be. thats going to be huge in dark maps. if its a problem and i like the game i will switch back to a 1080i projection tv.

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#26 LUK3isH3RE
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OK, thanks for the info.
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Nope !
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And does this mean that both None HD and HD Players have the same chances of winning a gunfight on Shadowrun?
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#29 jacksheets
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I think the most important thing that was only mentioned once before and many people are overlooking is calibrating your tv correctly. Buying a calibration disc, or using a THX calibration utility like what came on the bonus disc of Star Wars Episode 2 (I think) can be one of the best things you can get for your TV.

You can have the best tv, best cables, & best game graphically but if your settings aren't right on your tv (color, sharpness, brightness, contrast, black level, etc) it's not going to look nearly as good as it should.