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#1 Kanoko
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I bought an XBOX 360 a week ago... not because i liked it but because i bought it to past the time while i save up for a ridiculously priced PC.. but after playing some games on it it isnt half bad
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I bought an XBOX 360 a week ago... not because i liked it but because i bought it to past the time while i save up for a ridiculously priced PC.. but after playing some games on it it isnt half badKanoko
so what game(s) do you have for it?
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#3 Kanoko
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Gears of War, Burnout: Revenge, Saints Row and Dead Rising i didnt get Oblivion because i already have it on the PC i have now and runs fine..
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#4 fenwickhotmail
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yeah it will get very good at christmas after all the (hopefully) amazing games get released
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#5 Gamertag-Alidha
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Most of the whiners got their consoles on launch day when they were rushed. Besides most whiners don't come until after having it a month.
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#6 rgsniper1
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mm'kay thanks for the info.

How pricey is this PC your going to buy, because you had to of spent 3 to 500 on the 360, which seems like it would be a good chunk of any pc.

Also why are you replacing your PC now if it's powerful enough to run Oblivian fine? Doesn't seem like there's much out there at this time that needs more power than that. IMHO it would be wise to save your money until todays hot items are in the bargin bin and buy them cheaper then. At least then something might take advantage of the extra power.

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#7 Kanoko
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Well i dont build PC's so.. yea i spent600 all in all on the xbox plus games controller blah blah... and the pc costs 7,208 dollars plus tax equals a grand total of 7,960 dollars.
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#8 cmac2175
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Most of the whiners got their consoles on launch day when they were rushed. Besides most whiners don't come until after having it a month.Gamertag-Alidha
Haha i got mine on launch day, camped out and everything, haha i did the opposite of whining, I praised it even though my Computer Enginer friends were giving me crap about all the red ring crap they heard in the news
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#9 pyrobrand
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Well i dont build PC's so.. yea i spent600 all in all on the xbox plus games controller blah blah... and the pc costs 7,208 dollars plus tax equals a grand total of 7,960 dollars.Kanoko
Okay, just in my personal opinion, you're getting ripped off on that PC. What the hell are you paying for, multiple 8800 Ultra's along with Intel Core 2 Duo? You're getting buttraped from what I can tell. What're the specs on the new one?
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#10 Kanoko
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Its Quad Core Processors, 2x 8800 Ultras, 24 inch monitor, sounblaster X-FI, 4 GB Corsair Memory, Windows Vista Ultra, and some other stuff.
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#11 amirsafar
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dude , go away, the 360 is amazin, worth my money, love the games
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#12 rgsniper1
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Well i dont build PC's so.. yea i spent600 all in all on the xbox plus games controller blah blah... and the pc costs 7,208 dollars plus tax equals a grand total of 7,960 dollars.Kanoko

Are you looking to buy something like an Overdrive Core2 SLI rig or something? That's a lot to spend on a machine that is going to be outdated in less than a year. Remember they are shooting for octi core next spring.

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#13 halfirishhomer
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if the pc costs that much i hope you're getting crysis later this year
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I bought an XBOX 360 a week ago... not because i liked it but because i bought it to past the time while i save up for a ridiculously priced PC.. but after playing some games on it it isnt half badKanoko

you spent over 400 on something you didn't like, while you save up for a ridiculously priced pc? glad to see it somewhat suited your high-dollar taste buds.

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#15 Kanoko
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Yea.. the 360 has decent graphics but nowhere near to the PC and the opti processors... nope you'll never need more than 4 processors for any game for atleast 3 years ill bet you 2000 bucks!
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Its Quad Core Processors, 2x 8800 Ultras, 24 inch monitor, sounblaster X-FI, 4 GB Corsair Memory, Windows Vista Ultra, and some other stuff.Kanoko
Jesus **** Christ, what are you trying to run here, three copies of Crysis at once? I hope you've got insane cooling system for that thing, it'll goddamn melt. I have the same soundcard, half as much memory, Dual Core Processors and a 7900 and from what I know I'll still be able to run Crysis on normal settings. But what you're putting up right there is going to melt upon turning it on, you'll need Freon cooling or something expensive like that.
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#17 BounceDK
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I bought an XBOX 360 a week ago... not because i liked it but because i bought it to past the time while i save up for a ridiculously priced PC.. but after playing some games on it it isnt half badKanoko
I agree, but it is mainly an FPS console which totally sucks. FPS games belongs on the PC. I'm just waiting for Mass Effect - I'll have 2 games for the 360 when I get that one.
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#18 Kanoko
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Well its from Alienware so they use.. Alienware® ALX High-Performance Graphics and Processor Liquid Cooling
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Yea.. the 360 has decent graphics but nowhere near to the PC and the opti processors... nope you'll never need more than 4 processors for any game for atleast 3 years ill bet you 2000 bucks!Kanoko

If this is in response to my suggestion a current PC will be outdated I need to clarify something. I agree with you that it's going to take years for games to need more than 4 procs. But in reality you are paying to future proof and also for running multiple single proc apps and applications that can take advantage of any amount of procs. as long as they are there. I might as well add that the next iteration of the Intel chip is changing there architecture to run cooler and faster by becoming more like the AMD chips. Lastly, you never answered what PC you want that cost over 7 grand.

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Well i dont build PC's so.. yea i spent600 all in all on the xbox plus games controller blah blah... and the pc costs 7,208 dollars plus tax equals a grand total of 7,960 dollars.Kanoko
ur gonna pay almost 8000 for ur new computer?

ive heard some whoppers in my time but man that tops em all:lol:

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#21 pyrobrand
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Well its from Alienware so they use.. Alienware® ALX High-Performance Graphics and Processor Liquid CoolingKanoko
Ohhh, so that's why you're getting raped. Don't buy from Alienware, they overprice NASTY. It's not worth it. I bet you'd cut off a thousand bucks if you bought all the parts off www.newegg.com and then paid somebody at a computer shop to build the thing. Believe me, you're getting buttraped.
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#22 weinervil_basic
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agreed, alienware is ripoff with fancy name.
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#23 Kanoko
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Yea i did say what PC i was getting on the last page and what its specs are... and like i couldn't make 8000 bucks easily in 3 years?? Comeon really even giant Eagle baggers make9600 bucks in a year
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#24 Crzy1
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Heh, probably won't need more than two threads to run any game in the near future, especially with DX10 taking the load OFF of the CPU and putting more onto the GPU. And PC graphics don't increase tenfold every year, if you go top-of-the-line, it will usually do well until the next big change comes along. $7,200 for a PC? Sounds like a waste to me unless you're putting it to work, could easily build a quad-core with 2x8800 Ultras for around $3,500 and just run it on air. And no, the 360 isn't bad at all, just take care of it and it should last you for a while without the 3 lights ever getting you.
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Yea i did say what PC i was getting on the last page and what its specs are... and like i couldn't make 8000 bucks easily in 3 years?? Comeon really even giant Eagle baggers make9600 bucks in a yearKanoko
no dought u dont have the money. but 8000 dollars for a computer?? that will be outdated in six months to a year. it just plan crazy imo.
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[QUOTE="Kanoko"]Well its from Alienware so they use.. Alienware® ALX High-Performance Graphics and Processor Liquid Coolingpyrobrand
Ohhh, so that's why you're getting raped. Don't buy from Alienware, they overprice NASTY. It's not worth it. I bet you'd cut off a thousand bucks if you bought all the parts off www.newegg.com and then paid somebody at a computer shop to build the thing. Believe me, you're getting buttraped.

well you do realize that here in about 3-5 more years that MS will have another console out waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy cheaper than that and just as good if not better. some may not agree with me, but honestly thats how it works.

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Yea i did say what PC i was getting on the last page and what its specs are... and like i couldn't make 8000 bucks easily in 3 years?? Comeon really even giant Eagle baggers make9600 bucks in a yearKanoko

Yes, if you look at the timestamp we posted at the same time. You told me what you were getting and I commented you hadn't told me yet. Sorry for the confusion.

I say if you have the money and want to get a $8000.00 computer more power to you. Personally I don't see the reason for it as by the time you can push that computer the architecture of the chips will have changed again as stated. And it will be outdated very soon as people have pointed out. Will it run games amazingly well for a long time, yeah most definatly. But then again I have a 1.2 ghz athlon that still plays 80% of the games out there pretty well also. It's not my main rig, but I find it's still more than satisfactory for a lot of stuff.

By the time you see the benifits of your computer the same PC will cost about $2,000.00. At which point you've just tied $6,000.00 up into nothing. And there will be newer more powerful hardware out there that you will no doubt want.

Again though, more power to you.

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[QUOTE="Kanoko"]I bought an XBOX 360 a week ago... not because i liked it but because i bought it to past the time while i save up for a ridiculously priced PC.. but after playing some games on it it isnt half badBounceDK
I agree, but it is mainly an FPS console which totally sucks. FPS games belongs on the PC. I'm just waiting for Mass Effect - I'll have 2 games for the 360 when I get that one.

Isn't that nice. Some people don't like pc fps. I personally hate them. I can't stand using the mouse and keyboard and to sit up like that just sucks. I guess it's all about preference and to me pc is not prefered for any game.

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[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="Kanoko"]I bought an XBOX 360 a week ago... not because i liked it but because i bought it to past the time while i save up for a ridiculously priced PC.. but after playing some games on it it isnt half badbluntiss

I agree, but it is mainly an FPS console which totally sucks. FPS games belongs on the PC. I'm just waiting for Mass Effect - I'll have 2 games for the 360 when I get that one.

Isn't that nice. Some people don't like pc fps. I personally hate them. I can't stand using the mouse and keyboard and to sit up like that just sucks. I guess it's all about preference and to me pc is not prefered for any game.

i agree that superiority is BS, its all about preference, u can get just as good with one as you can the other it just might take a bit more time. and thats all on you not the tools you are using. second i prefer console gamming as pc gamming is for damn sure over-priced, and mouse and keyboards IMO just feel as if im scrolling across the screen and not actually having the feel of being more into the game as i am with a controller. and a controller i can sit on my bed and play without having to have a spot for my mouse and keyboard, but i have pc gamed for a long time, but i just got to where i prefer consoles, less cheating online with the consoles and i hate a cheater, not saying there isnt any for there are, but far far less.

not saying that pc gamming is bad, it isnt its actually very very fun. but i just prefer the consoles.

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#30 Carbon_
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Macs are better, they can run XP and the Mac OS...
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#31 Lach0121
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Macs are better, they can run XP and the Mac OS...Carbon_

macs are very very over-rated, i hate a mac. and that stupid commercial you see about them.

never have i liked a mac.

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#32 Carbon_
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New iMac in August...I think it will be able to run Vista too...
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New iMac in August...I think it will be able to run Vista too...Carbon_

hey more power to you on your mac, i just cant stand them, but if you like them,.......great.

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#34 Carbon_
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[QUOTE="Carbon_"]New iMac in August...I think it will be able to run Vista too...Lach0121

hey more power to you on your mac, i just cant stand them, but if you like them,.......great.


They just need to enter into the gaming world though...
Epic is helping them though(Gears and UT3)
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#35 Lach0121
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[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Carbon_"]New iMac in August...I think it will be able to run Vista too...Carbon_

hey more power to you on your mac, i just cant stand them, but if you like them,.......great.


They just need to enter into the gaming world though...
Epic is helping them though(Gears and UT3)

yeah im staying in the console part of gamming from now on, much cheaper, and lot less hardware compatability issues,

and in another 3-5 years there will be another console out that will smash the pc's of today and prolly a year from now. for a hell of a lot cheaper price too.

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#36 trophylocoste
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Why would you buy a 360 if your were thinking it would be bad?
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#37 Kanoko
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Is there some other system out.... that I should know about?
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#38 Carbon_
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[QUOTE="Carbon_"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Carbon_"]New iMac in August...I think it will be able to run Vista too...Lach0121

hey more power to you on your mac, i just cant stand them, but if you like them,.......great.


They just need to enter into the gaming world though...
Epic is helping them though(Gears and UT3)

yeah im staying in the console part of gamming from now on, much cheaper, and lot less hardware compatability issues,

and in another 3-5 years there will be another console out that will smash the pc's of today and prolly a year from now. for a hell of a lot cheaper price too.


True, PC games always get held back because they have to have minimal system requirements and make sure that epople with bad PCs can play them too. With consoles everybody has the same thing so they can use the hardware to it's fullest. Hopefully Crytek changes this though. With Crysis they are saying,"If your computer can't run it, screw you!".
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[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="Carbon_"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Carbon_"]New iMac in August...I think it will be able to run Vista too...Carbon_

hey more power to you on your mac, i just cant stand them, but if you like them,.......great.


They just need to enter into the gaming world though...
Epic is helping them though(Gears and UT3)

yeah im staying in the console part of gamming from now on, much cheaper, and lot less hardware compatability issues,

and in another 3-5 years there will be another console out that will smash the pc's of today and prolly a year from now. for a hell of a lot cheaper price too.


True, PC games always get held back because they have to have minimal system requirements and make sure that epople with bad PCs can play them too. With consoles everybody has the same thing so they can use the hardware to it's fullest. Hopefully Crytek changes this though. With Crysis they are saying,"If your computer can't run it, screw you!".

but in turn are making for dx 9 and 10 and the 360 uses around a hybrid of the 2, like a dx 9.8786346658346, lol, no seriously better than dx 9 for pcs, but not as good as the whole dx 10 package, and Crytek has already said that it is bring ing its CryEngine 2 to the consoles for development as well, but like i said in another post as far as crysis itself goes, EA and Crytek already stated that a version of it, (while most definatly not the same game) but a version of it will hit the consoles at a later date. hell i think that MS's next DirectXbox, will run on a hybrid dx11, but thats only mehoping i have no way of confirming that.

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#40 Mike-Who
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if you are saving up for a ridicously expensive computer....whyd u waste 400 dollars that couldve helped u buy it??
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if you are saving up for a ridicously expensive computer....whyd u waste 400 dollars that couldve helped u buy it??Mike-Who
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#42 Kanoko
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What's the point of saving 400 bucks... i can make that much asking for it and i get 1000 a week extra not even from working..
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hooooooooooooowwwwwwwww lucky you
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What's the point of saving 400 bucks... i can make that much asking for it and i get 1000 a week extra not even from working..Kanoko

Selling drugs is bad m'kay.

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#45 gatsbythepig
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It's not bad... in fact I think it is great. I have owned mine for almost two years with no problems.
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#46 rgsniper1
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I bought an XBOX 360 a week ago... not because i liked it but because i bought it to past the time while i save up for a ridiculously priced PC.. but after playing some games on it it isnt half badKanoko

I guess then since money is no object for you then there's no point in discussing it. So back to your original post. OK nice statement. I guess this topic can be closed now as there's really nothing to discuss. :|

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#47 pigonthewing
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You should buy this

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/popup?id=3234825

its totally pointless and only costs 99 Million!!

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#48 Kanoko
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i dont know why you are all in an upoar... 1000 a week isnt that much... you should be making that much unless 1) Your a kid, 2) Your an illegal alien doing manual labor or 3) You have a non-college job that didnt require any pre education.
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i dont know why you are all in an upoar... 1000 a week isnt that much... you should be making that much unless 1) Your a kid, 2) Your an illegal alien doing manual labor or 3) You have a non-college job that didnt require any pre education.Kanoko

most people have bills...

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#50 Kanoko
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Yea and..?