Xbox Live Big Prob

I dont get it? Ok there is much better support for xbox and there is wider variety of games but come on paying to play online is just really weird? This you might think is a systemwars thing but I want to know how you can justify the Live thing instead of the free online gaming from a PS3? Its pissing me off because I want to buy a an xbox360 but paying for the console, the games, the electricity AND the LIVE is not making help decide!

you get what you pay for PS3= Subpar games and lack luster PSN and XBL= lots lots of demo's and XBLA worth 50$ to me ..I also hate having to pay for another account for the same XBOX 360lge777

[QUOTE="lge777"]you get what you pay for PS3= Subpar games and lack luster PSN and XBL= lots lots of demo's and XBLA worth 50$ to me ..I also hate having to pay for another account for the same XBOX 360teebeenz

not correct i have a PS3 and i loved my PS2 but the PSN=BAD but if you like it then what does it matter drop you XBL acccount and enjoy your lack of great game console i will keep my XBL and spend the 50$ happily

I don't mind paying for

• An infrastructure that allows the community to self-govern with:
  • Gamer zone
  • Rep
  • Prefer/avoid
  • Feedback
• Two levels of matchmaking
  • Preference-based, using the features listed above
  • Skill-based, using MS's TrueSkill system
• Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's session
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• MS has resources whose job is to specifically connect with the community. Major Nelson, Trixie... and the support they give to fan sites. Not to mention the organized events on their Community Calendar, like Ladies Night, Family Game Night, Prime Time and Frag Doll Fridays.
• MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs... those gamercards in our sigs were made by fan sites aided by MS programmers. Same can be said about Achieve360Points.com, 360Voice.com and other sites I'm forgetting.
• The cross-country campaign to help educate parents and legislators about online gaming

That's plenty to justify the cost to me.

[QUOTE="lge777"]you get what you pay for PS3= Subpar games and lack luster PSN and XBL= lots lots of demo's and XBLA worth 50$ to me ..I also hate having to pay for another account for the same XBOX 360teebeenz

no actually i think he hit it right on with those comments.

you get what you pay for PS3= Subpar games and lack luster PSN and XBL= lots lots of demo's and XBLA worth 50$ to me ..I also hate having to pay for another account for the same XBOX 360lge777

You get what you pay for? I have had my xbox and xbox live for a little more than a week and everyday the servers have been laggy or down. It is not my connection. I have not had a server problem with playstation network in the 3 years I owned a ps2.

[QUOTE="teebeenz"][QUOTE="lge777"]you get what you pay for PS3= Subpar games and lack luster PSN and XBL= lots lots of demo's and XBLA worth 50$ to me ..I also hate having to pay for another account for the same XBOX 360lge777

not correct i have a PS3 and i loved my PS2 but the PSN=BAD but if you like it then what does it matter drop you XBL acccount and enjoy your lack of great game console i will keep my XBL and spend the 50$ happily

....so you have no idea what your talking about??

[QUOTE="lge777"]you get what you pay for PS3= Subpar games and lack luster PSN and XBL= lots lots of demo's and XBLA worth 50$ to me ..I also hate having to pay for another account for the same XBOX 360Rayk3400

You get what you pay for? I have had my xbox and xbox live for a little more than a week and everyday the servers have been laggy or down. It is not my connection. I have not had a server problem with playstation network in the 3 years I owned a ps2.

Yes there has been a conection problem the last weekish BUT thats due to all the kids out of school and online flooding the servers when they all go back to school it will be back to normal...If the PSN had as many PPL it would also be having the same problem JUST goes to show you how weak it customer base is

An infrastructure that allows the community to self-governVoodooHak

Two levels of matchmaking

• Preference-based, using the features listed above
• Skill-based, using MS's TrueSkill systemVoodooHak

Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's sessionVoodooHak

Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consolesVoodooHak

MS has resources whose job is to specifically connect with the community. Major Nelson, Trixie... and the support they give to fan sites. Not to mention the organized events on their Community Calendar, like Ladies Night, Family Game Night, Prime Time and Frag Doll Fridays.VoodooHak

MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs... those gamercards in our sigs were made by fan sites aided by MS programmers. Same can be said about Achieve360Points.com, 360Voice.com and other sites I'm forgetting.

The cross-country campaign to help educate parents and legislators about online gaming

That's plenty to justify the cost to me.

VoodooHak

IMO i like downloading demos on ps3 more then 360. For ps3 i can do other things while its downloading instead of waiting and staring at the screen for the 360. Sure xbox live is better but to me its the same thing. All sony has to do is allow u to open msgs while ur ingame and sending etc just like what xbox live does.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]An infrastructure that allows the community to self-governteebeenz

Two levels of matchmaking

• Preference-based, using the features listed above
• Skill-based, using MS's TrueSkill systemVoodooHak

Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's sessionVoodooHak

Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consolesVoodooHak

MS has resources whose job is to specifically connect with the community. Major Nelson, Trixie... and the support they give to fan sites. Not to mention the organized events on their Community Calendar, like Ladies Night, Family Game Night, Prime Time and Frag Doll Fridays.VoodooHak

MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs... those gamercards in our sigs were made by fan sites aided by MS programmers. Same can be said about Achieve360Points.com, 360Voice.com and other sites I'm forgetting.

The cross-country campaign to help educate parents and legislators about online gaming

That's plenty to justify the cost to me.

VoodooHak

all that is free on pc and better....

Yes there has been a conection problem the last weekish BUT thats due to all the kids out of school and online flooding the servers when they all go back to school it will be back to normal...If the PSN had as many PPL it would also be having the same problem JUST goes to show you how weak it customer base islge777

I also like that some ps3 games have dedicated servers so there no lag e.g Resistance, Warhawk and SOMETIMES UT3giancarlo_11

[QUOTE="lge777"]Yes there has been a conection problem the last weekish BUT thats due to all the kids out of school and online flooding the servers when they all go back to school it will be back to normal...If the PSN had as many PPL it would also be having the same problem JUST goes to show you how weak it customer base isteebeenz

no that sounds right to me... we'll just have to wait and see

no that sounds right to me... we'll just have to wait and seeuconnhuskies050

what do u mean???^giancarlo_11

^oo i c ic. Well those games are still sikk though.

the only problem i have with paying for it is when it has all these problems it's having right now.TigerFangRed

Have to agree with that. I don't mind paying so much since it's less than the price of a single game for an entire years subscription but at times like now it is MS's duty to make sure that LIVE is delivering to those who are paying for it. They should re-inburse the lost days for the time the network is down. You wouldn't pay for a cable or sattelite channel and thn have an entire week were you can't watch anything. You'd expect some sort of refund from the provider.

Another issue I have with paying is that there is absolutley no balance between the amount of content between regions. I live in Japan where we have still yet to get video marketplace. We are paying more for our live subscriptions and being given less than1/3 the amount of content and ervices that the U.S. marketplace gets. And it doesn't help when theU.S. also gives away free games like Aegis Wings and themes and gamerpics as well as point competitions.

And finally if we are paying for LIVE we shouldn't have to pay online subsciptions for games on top of that. i.e. Final FantasyXI, Phantasy Star Universe etc. I'm sure when they first announced LIVE with True Fantasy Online they claimed that one of the advantages of paying forLIVE was that you wouldn't have to pay any extra additional subscriptions charges. So much for that.

People like you just don't understand. If Live were free, it wouldn't have all the features and downloadable content has now. You get what you pay for. PSN is free and it sucks doesn't it? Live costing money is what makes it so good because that money goes towards making Live a better place.matt2012

I dont get it? Ok there is much better support for xbox and there is wider variety of games but come on paying to play online is just really weird? This you might think is a systemwars thing but I want to know how you can justify the Live thing instead of the free online gaming from a PS3? Its pissing me off because I want to buy a an xbox360 but paying for the console, the games, the electricity AND the LIVE is not making help decide!

bluebusiness

i am so sick of people complaining about live's price. if you dont want to pay, get a ps3 and see if your happy with the games available on it. STOP COMPLAINING TO US. We dont have a problem with paying 50 bucks a YEAR for a great service so go complain to someone who cares and the majority of people here wont. cmon 50 bucks.. thats like 1 days work on minimum wage...

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]An infrastructure that allows the community to self-governteebeenz

Two levels of matchmaking

• Preference-based, using the features listed above
• Skill-based, using MS's TrueSkill systemVoodooHak

Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's sessionVoodooHak

Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consolesVoodooHak

MS has resources whose job is to specifically connect with the community. Major Nelson, Trixie... and the support they give to fan sites. Not to mention the organized events on their Community Calendar, like Ladies Night, Family Game Night, Prime Time and Frag Doll Fridays.VoodooHak

MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs... those gamercards in our sigs were made by fan sites aided by MS programmers. Same can be said about Achieve360Points.com, 360Voice.com and other sites I'm forgetting.

The cross-country campaign to help educate parents and legislators about online gaming

That's plenty to justify the cost to me.

VoodooHak

[QUOTE="lge777"]Yes there has been a conection problem the last weekish BUT thats due to all the kids out of school and online flooding the servers when they all go back to school it will be back to normal...If the PSN had as many PPL it would also be having the same problem JUST goes to show you how weak it customer base isteebeenz

PS3 fanboy :O!!! just pay 5 dollars each month and enjoy playing online, i find no problem with that, maybe u have

[QUOTE="matt2012"]People like you just don't understand. If Live were free, it wouldn't have all the features and downloadable content has now. You get what you pay for. PSN is free and it sucks doesn't it? Live costing money is what makes it so good because that money goes towards making Live a better place.teebeenz

xbl isnt free but there are millions of people paying for it without complaining, psn is free with thousands playing

all that is free on pc and better....

ipath4life

What service? I'm sure you can name a few.... and therein lies the problem. There isn't a platform-wide standard by nature of the platform

I dont see what the big deal is with everone complaining about paying for xbox live. Its only like four dollars a month. I spend more than fifty dollars a week on gas alone.

I dont get it? Ok there is much better support for xbox and there is wider variety of games but come on paying to play online is just really weird? This you might think is a systemwars thing but I want to know how you can justify the Live thing instead of the free online gaming from a PS3? Its pissing me off because I want to buy a an xbox360 but paying for the console, the games, the electricity AND the LIVE is not making help decide!

bluebusiness

I dont see what the big deal is with everone complaining about paying for xbox live. Its only like four dollars a month. I spend more than fifty dollars a week on gas alone.

Asasinator

[QUOTE="bluebusiness"]

I dont get it? Ok there is much better support for xbox and there is wider variety of games but come on paying to play online is just really weird? This you might think is a systemwars thing but I want to know how you can justify the Live thing instead of the free online gaming from a PS3? Its pissing me off because I want to buy a an xbox360 but paying for the console, the games, the electricity AND the LIVE is not making help decide!

gamerguy31315

i am so sick of people complaining about live's price. if you dont want to pay, get a ps3 and see if your happy with the games available on it. STOP COMPLAINING TO US. We dont have a problem with paying 50 bucks a YEAR for a great service so go complain to someone who cares and the majority of people here wont. cmon 50 bucks.. thats like 1 days work on minimum wage...

Great service? I turn it on once without haveing a problem with live.

[QUOTE="Asasinator"]

I dont see what the big deal is with everone complaining about paying for xbox live. Its only like four dollars a month. I spend more than fifty dollars a week on gas alone.

HellRazer360

finally someone whos smart enough to relize that fifty bucks a year is not that much

i just realized it....people complain about paying for live becuase they are poor and jealous of all the rich people out there that can afford it...:D....i think that just need a friend in lifeHellRazer360

youdont even have to be richall they have to do is skip one meal at mcdonalds or wherever they eat at and they got that month payed for

Works wonderfully for me. The catch is that the onus falls upon the user to actually use those features. These functions really don't come into play with Silver accounts. They provide a benefit to Gold subscribers since they are the ones actually connecting with other peopleVoodooHak

It's included in the dev kit for devs to use. With over 300 Xbox titles using TrueSkill, it's still a valid bullet point in favor of Xbox Live. yet its not a part of LIVE, its a title function. Its also just simple match making of which many systems exist. Its also something devs can choose to license for other platforms.VoodooHak

It benefits ONLY pople with Xbox Live Gold since it deals with online mulitplayer. How does Silver benefit? Valid point for Xbox Live. Home? What good is it if it's not standard. Last time I checked, Home is optional. I'll believe Home's cross-game functionality once I see it. As it stands, it's up there with in-game XMB as vaporware.VoodooHak

Similar but hardly as organized. ThreeSpeech? Please. These scheduled nights would only matter to those with Xbox Live Gold unless you've figure out a way to participate in Frag Doll Friday with a silver account. The point is there are people scheduling these things and keeping the events monitored.VoodooHak

MS pays for the support. And until I see similar supprot for the competition, it's a valid plus for XBLVoodooHak

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"] Works wonderfully for me. The catch is that the onus falls upon the user to actually use those features. These functions really don't come into play with Silver accounts. They provide a benefit to Gold subscribers since they are the ones actually connecting with other peopleteebeenz

It's included in the dev kit for devs to use. With over 300 Xbox titles using TrueSkill, it's still a valid bullet point in favor of Xbox Live. yet its not a part of LIVE, its a title function. Its also just simple match making of which many systems exist. Its also something devs can choose to license for other platforms.VoodooHak

It benefits ONLY pople with Xbox Live Gold since it deals with online mulitplayer. How does Silver benefit? Valid point for Xbox Live. Home? What good is it if it's not standard. Last time I checked, Home is optional. I'll believe Home's cross-game functionality once I see it. As it stands, it's up there with in-game XMB as vaporware.VoodooHak

Similar but hardly as organized. ThreeSpeech? Please. These scheduled nights would only matter to those with Xbox Live Gold unless you've figure out a way to participate in Frag Doll Friday with a silver account. The point is there are people scheduling these things and keeping the events monitored.VoodooHak

MS pays for the support. And until I see similar supprot for the competition, it's a valid plus for XBLVoodooHak

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"] Works wonderfully for me. The catch is that the onus falls upon the user to actually use those features. These functions really don't come into play with Silver accounts. They provide a benefit to Gold subscribers since they are the ones actually connecting with other peopleteebeenz

It's included in the dev kit for devs to use. With over 300 Xbox titles using TrueSkill, it's still a valid bullet point in favor of Xbox Live. yet its not a part of LIVE, its a title function. Its also just simple match making of which many systems exist. Its also something devs can choose to license for other platforms.VoodooHak

It benefits ONLY pople with Xbox Live Gold since it deals with online mulitplayer. How does Silver benefit? Valid point for Xbox Live. Home? What good is it if it's not standard. Last time I checked, Home is optional. I'll believe Home's cross-game functionality once I see it. As it stands, it's up there with in-game XMB as vaporware.VoodooHak

Similar but hardly as organized. ThreeSpeech? Please. These scheduled nights would only matter to those with Xbox Live Gold unless you've figure out a way to participate in Frag Doll Friday with a silver account. The point is there are people scheduling these things and keeping the events monitored.VoodooHak

MS pays for the support. And until I see similar supprot for the competition, it's a valid plus for XBLVoodooHak

well since xbox live is way better than ps3's live or wii's live whats the big deal with fifty dollars a month go get a job or just skip a meal once a month.

[QUOTE="teebeenz"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"] Works wonderfully for me. The catch is that the onus falls upon the user to actually use those features. These functions really don't come into play with Silver accounts. They provide a benefit to Gold subscribers since they are the ones actually connecting with other peopleAsasinator

It's included in the dev kit for devs to use. With over 300 Xbox titles using TrueSkill, it's still a valid bullet point in favor of Xbox Live. yet its not a part of LIVE, its a title function. Its also just simple match making of which many systems exist. Its also something devs can choose to license for other platforms.VoodooHak

It benefits ONLY pople with Xbox Live Gold since it deals with online mulitplayer. How does Silver benefit? Valid point for Xbox Live. Home? What good is it if it's not standard. Last time I checked, Home is optional. I'll believe Home's cross-game functionality once I see it. As it stands, it's up there with in-game XMB as vaporware.VoodooHak

Similar but hardly as organized. ThreeSpeech? Please. These scheduled nights would only matter to those with Xbox Live Gold unless you've figure out a way to participate in Frag Doll Friday with a silver account. The point is there are people scheduling these things and keeping the events monitored.VoodooHak

MS pays for the support. And until I see similar supprot for the competition, it's a valid plus for XBLVoodooHak

well since xbox live is way better than ps3's live or wii's live whats the big deal with fifty dollars a month go get a job or just skip a meal once a month.

ya but the psn home is a........SYSTEM FUNCTION:lol:HellRazer360