xbox360 hd-dvd gaming

i remember when the ps2 came out, and the games used to be on cd disks (the blue ones). the only thing that was on dvd was the movies, but then later all the games started coming out on dvd.

my question is: will xbox360 games go to hd-dvd media, and if so, we all have to buy upgraded drives or what?

this is my concern for the fact that ps3 already has its blu-ray in the unit so i'm just wondering if anyone has heard anything.

it would be so much better though the games could have so much more content, good thing i bought my hd dvd drive for itsteveslugga

ACtually its a good thing i havent bought the hd dvd drive yet. If this happens, MS will HAVE to slash prices. When they finally start putting games on HD DVD you will probably be able to get the add on for under $100.

[QUOTE="steveslugga"]it would be so much better though the games could have so much more content, good thing i bought my hd dvd drive for itgnomegnasher

ACtually its a good thing i havent bought the hd dvd drive yet. If this happens, MS will HAVE to slash prices. When they finally start putting games on HD DVD you will probably be able to get the add on for under $100.

it will not happen, at least not with the HD-DVD accessory that is currently outas it's way to slow for games. For it to happen they would have toput outa totally new HD-DVD drive preferably built in the console itself.Wich would force 10+ million people around the worldto switch their units and MS would not want that to happen so no I seriously doubtwe will see 360 games on HD-DVD discs.Perhapsthe next generation thoughZimpanX

what he said, the hd-dvd drive can't read for games! only movies. this guy knows what he's talking about.

[QUOTE="ZimpanX"]it will not happen, at least not with the HD-DVD accessory that is currently outas it's way to slow for games. For it to happen they would have toput outa totally new HD-DVD drive preferably built in the console itself.Wich would force 10+ million people around the worldto switch their units and MS would not want that to happen so no I seriously doubtwe will see 360 games on HD-DVD discs.Perhapsthe next generation thoughSora311

what he said, the hd-dvd drive can't read for games! only movies. this guy knows what he's talking about.

Just think how much more realistic Gears of War would look if it was on a 30gig HD DVD instead of a 9 gig DVD, it would be awesomeascendentjustic

To bad the devs wouldn't use much of that extra space. Just because they would have have 20GB more, doesn't mean they'll use it. Most games wouldn't.

true such games would be awesome but would take at least 5 years to develop, and since only about 40-60% of X360 players use an HDTV, as long as these such games would require it would anger gamers and cause huge losses of marketshare for M$ this is why the PS3 doesn't have too many good games cause blu-ray is very complex to develop forNicAgent

Your whole argument is absurd. The bluray is a storage medium. Nothing more, nothing less. Having hddvd would just mean more space for more content. Havig bluray does not make the ps3 harder to develop for in any way. If anything it makes it a bit easier and less time consuming since compression does not become as much of an issue. 5 years to develop a game on a larger medium? Good lord, thats ridiculous. Another strike, having hddvd would not require the user to have a hdtv at all.

Again, you're very ill-informed

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]

[QUOTE="NicAgent"]true such games would be awesome but would take at least 5 years to develop, and since only about 40-60% of X360 players use an HDTV, as long as these such games would require it would anger gamers and cause huge losses of marketshare for M$ this is why the PS3 doesn't have too many good games cause blu-ray is very complex to develop forNicAgent

Your whole argument is absurd. The bluray is a storage medium. Nothing more, nothing less. Having hddvd would just mean more space for more content. Havig bluray does not make the ps3 harder to develop for in any way. If anything it makes it a bit easier and less time consuming since compression does not become as much of an issue. 5 years to develop a game on a larger medium? Good lord, thats ridiculous. Another strike, having hddvd would not require the user to have a hdtv at all.

Again, you're very ill-informed

Stupid troll? WTH are you talking about.I am in no way shape or form trolling this subject. I am simply refuting your arguments because they were simplyinvalid. I am not trying to say bluray is god or anything of the sort so i dont see howit would be trolling. What capability are they to take advantage of. Ive seen gameplay ofps3 on an sdtv.The text is proportional to the screen. Text doesnt have anything to do with the medium. Moreover it has everything to do with the resolution of the game and the size of the screen. So again another point ur mistaken in.

Also, unless your nblind, you can see that i have a 360 as well as a ps3. Im the furthest thing from a fanboy there is. Just because i dont agree with your crazy comments doesnt make me a troll. Learn to live with criticisms.

that won't happen unless MS's plan is to give the HD-DVD a huge pridedrop, and still, that would be a pretty stupid decision. I rather to stand up and change the discs than having to buy an add-on for not standing up to change the disc.club-sandwich

Plus, not many developers, if any will develop for hddvd drives. If it isnt a standard developers wont embrace it. And MS's hddvd drive isnt standard in all 360s

360 will never use HD-DVD for games.

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[QUOTE="NicAgent"][QUOTE="Miguel16"]

[QUOTE="NicAgent"]true such games would be awesome but would take at least 5 years to develop, and since only about 40-60% of X360 players use an HDTV, as long as these such games would require it would anger gamers and cause huge losses of marketshare for M$ this is why the PS3 doesn't have too many good games cause blu-ray is very complex to develop forMiguel16

Your whole argument is absurd. The bluray is a storage medium. Nothing more, nothing less. Having hddvd would just mean more space for more content. Havig bluray does not make the ps3 harder to develop for in any way. If anything it makes it a bit easier and less time consuming since compression does not become as much of an issue. 5 years to develop a game on a larger medium? Good lord, thats ridiculous. Another strike, having hddvd would not require the user to have a hdtv at all.

Again, you're very ill-informed

Stupid troll? WTH are you talking about.I am in no way shape or form trolling this subject. I am simply refuting your arguments because they were simplyinvalid. I am not trying to say bluray is god or anything of the sort so i dont see howit would be trolling. What capability are they to take advantage of. Ive seen gameplay ofps3 on an sdtv.The text is proportional to the screen. Text doesnt have anything to do with the medium. Moreover it has everything to do with the resolution of the game and the size of the screen. So again another point ur mistaken in.

Also, unless your nblind, you can see that i have a 360 as well as a ps3. Im the furthest thing from a fanboy there is. Just because i dont agree with your crazy comments doesnt make me a troll. Learn to live with criticisms.

360 will never use HD-DVD for games.

END OF STORY.

beardtm

you stuipd troll... haha yeah HD-DVDs dont need HDTVs to work but my theory is that they will take advantage of the capability and make small objects like text nearly impossible to read on an SDTV (maybe read-able on an EDTV) but i rest my case that the more content that is put on a game disc the longer its gonna take to develop it but it is true that more content could be quite benefitial since many xbox 360 games lack depth, but unless they can convert games currently in dev't to this new format we wouldnt start seeing such games until around 2011 or soNicAgent

What are you talking about. Using an HD-DVD has nothing to do with taking advantage of making small objects. You do realize HD-DVD is just a name, it's still just a data disc, nothing at all to do with HD until you put HD videos on it. DVDs hold 9gigs, HD-DVDs hold 30gigs, it's just storage, that is all. Just because they have extra space doesn't mean some how it's going to be more HD than it's already right now with DVDs. So you do realize DVDs games are HD, right? And that games like Dead Rising already have small text that people can't hardly read on SD tvs, and that's just a bad decision by the developer, nothing to do with the media.

Yes, the more space, the longer a game can be. But a lot of games can already be longer on DVDs. Some are already bland enough to where the short game time can get boring near the end, who wants more of that. It's just up to the developers to spend more money on their games. I mean once you have the textures and models alreardy there, it doesn't take too much data to create another level or unique events. I'd say extra space might help add variety in materials and such, but overall they can develop pretty quickly if they want with just a larger staff, not 5 years. Artists can turn out amazing work fast, often way at photorealistic quality models and textures that are then lowered to work for the game. I think the biggest issue of time is the gaming engine, AI, animation, physics, and what makes the game work, not the artwork.

There's also no way they'd switch to HD-DVD. The PS2 already had a DVD drive in it, and the games at launch didn't need the DVD storage, not like when finally chose to release games on DVD that suddenly it was a whole new process and people had to upgrade, it was planned from the get go. If you say HD-DVDs would make a longer game, but take longer to make, ultimatly costing more, no studio would ever do it because they'd know not even 1/4th of 360 gamers would bother to buy the HD-DVD add-on. I mean even PC gamers complained that they would not want games released on DVD since they felt it was a waste to even spend $40 on a DVD drive just for games when they don't watch movies on their computer (back when dvd burners cost more). They'd rather have games still come on 7 cds in paper slips with no way to store them. Finally though, they started to release some games like Unreal Tournament 2004 on a special edition DVD for some people to choose, instead of the stack of CDs.

[QUOTE="NicAgent"] you stuipd troll... haha yeah HD-DVDs dont need HDTVs to work but my theory is that they will take advantage of the capability and make small objects like text nearly impossible to read on an SDTV (maybe read-able on an EDTV) but i rest my case that the more content that is put on a game disc the longer its gonna take to develop it but it is true that more content could be quite benefitial since many xbox 360 games lack depth, but unless they can convert games currently in dev't to this new format we wouldnt start seeing such games until around 2011 or soTimothyB

What are you talking about. Using an HD-DVD has nothing to do with taking advantage of making small objects. You do realize HD-DVD is just a name, it's still just a data disc, nothing at all to do with HD until you put HD videos on it. DVDs hold 9gigs, HD-DVDs hold 30gigs, it's just storage, that is all. Just because they have extra space doesn't mean some how it's going to be more HD than it's already right now with DVDs. So you do realize DVDs games are HD, right? And that games like Dead Rising already have small text that people can't hardly read on SD tvs, and that's just a bad decision by the developer, nothing to do with the media.

Yes, the more space, the longer a game can be. But a lot of games can already be longer on DVDs. Some are already bland enough to where the short game time can get boring near the end, who wants more of that. It's just up to the developers to spend more money on their games. I mean once you have the textures and models alreardy there, it doesn't take too much data to create another level or unique events. I'd say extra space might help add variety in materials and such, but overall they can develop pretty quickly if they want with just a larger staff, not 5 years. Artists can turn out amazing work fast, often way at photorealistic quality models and textures that are then lowered to work for the game. I think the biggest issue of time is the gaming engine, AI, animation, physics, and what makes the game work, not the artwork.

There's also no way they'd switch to HD-DVD. The PS2 already had a DVD drive in it, and the games at launch didn't need the DVD storage, not like when finally chose to release games on DVD that suddenly it was a whole new process and people had to upgrade, it was planned from the get go. If you say HD-DVDs would make a longer game, but take longer to make, ultimatly costing more, no studio would ever do it because they'd know not even 1/4th of 360 gamers would bother to buy the HD-DVD add-on. I mean even PC gamers complained that they would not want games released on DVD since they felt it was a waste to even spend $40 on a DVD drive just for games when they don't watch movies on their computer (back when dvd burners cost more). They'd rather have games still come on 7 cds in paper slips with no way to store them. Finally though, they started to release some games like Unreal Tournament 2004 on a special edition DVD for some people to choose, instead of the stack of CDs.

[QUOTE="NicAgent"]true such games would be awesome but would take at least 5 years to develop, and since only about 40-60% of X360 players use an HDTV, as long as these such games would require it would anger gamers and cause huge losses of marketshare for M$ this is why the PS3 doesn't have too many good games cause blu-ray is very complex to develop forMiguel16

Your whole argument is absurd. The bluray is a storage medium. Nothing more, nothing less. Having hddvd would just mean more space for more content. Havig bluray does not make the ps3 harder to develop for in any way. If anything it makes it a bit easier and less time consuming since compression does not become as much of an issue. 5 years to develop a game on a larger medium? Good lord, thats ridiculous. Another strike, having hddvd would not require the user to have a hdtv at all.

Again, you're very ill-informed

true such games would be awesome but would take at least 5 years to develop, and since only about 40-60% of X360 players use an HDTV, as long as these such games would require it would anger gamers and cause huge losses of marketshare for M$ this is why the PS3 doesn't have too many good games cause blu-ray is very complex to develop forNicAgent

(8 core processor is way out there, they hardly program for two chips as it is)GlassDominion

No, YOU clearly have no idea what you're talking about (not the 're there btw, not an insult but a helping hand as I used to do that as well). Cell has a single CPU core. That core however has many units.

so far from what everyone has posted, it breaks down to this:

it would cost too much to make a game on HD-Dvd
consumers wouldn't buy the hd-dvd addon just for the new games
Microsoft would be out of their mind for doing something like this

so i guess its not possible and we will not be seeing it, but games have to get much better then what they are, there is always improvement, so if not hd-dvd media games, then what? anyone else have any clues?

[QUOTE="Miguel16"]

[QUOTE="NicAgent"]true such games would be awesome but would take at least 5 years to develop, and since only about 40-60% of X360 players use an HDTV, as long as these such games would require it would anger gamers and cause huge losses of marketshare for M$ this is why the PS3 doesn't have too many good games cause blu-ray is very complex to develop foribanezdropd

Your whole argument is absurd. The bluray is a storage medium. Nothing more, nothing less. Having hddvd would just mean more space for more content. Havig bluray does not make the ps3 harder to develop for in any way. If anything it makes it a bit easier and less time consuming since compression does not become as much of an issue. 5 years to develop a game on a larger medium? Good lord, thats ridiculous. Another strike, having hddvd would not require the user to have a hdtv at all.

Again, you're very ill-informed

I think you're misunderstanding. This may be true in the case of Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD movies, and their associated menus, however, this has no bearing on Games. It's sort of like Video DVD's versus data DVDs, right? Just think of a game disc as a mass produced data DVD, the disc format is just storage, and has nothing to do with how the game is programmed (err, aside from determining storage limitations obviously).

WILL NOT HAPPEN. Such a decision would be very stupid on MS and developers' part.Miguel16

never underestimate the predictibility of Stupidity mate:?