You're Awful For Getting Achievements, Wha? Why?

Ok, achievements are the grand end all when it comes to scoring this generation and that's fine, I'm cool with that

But what about games that reward you when you suck?

I mean achievements should be something that you strive for if you think of them as accomplishments but some games also reward you for doing dreadfully

I remember playing Too Human and getting an achievement for killing my guy 100 times, that's not an accomplishment. Having to restart 100 times meant that I was doing badly, I don't want a reward for that. I did poorly, you don't get awarded for doing poorly.

Anyone else agree that awards for doing poorly at games seems out of place with the whole achievement system?

***Also please make note that if you don't like achievements at all then you don't need to join this conversation because that's not what I'm talking about, oooo what's that over there? Go check!"

I remember in Guitar Hero 3 I got an achievement for backing out of a boss fight and it was worth 0 gamerscore.

I think that when you get 0 gamerscore for those types of achievements it is fine, it becomes more of a record of how well you played the game

but when they make up several achievements which give you gamerscore, it becomes much less reasonable.

Though there aren't really too many achievements which are rewards for doing poorly.

I remember in Guitar Hero 3 I got an achievement for backing out of a boss fight and it was worth 0 gamerscore.

vp22

That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about

Rewarding you (though no points in some cases) for failing to do well or even attempt certain goals

Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from. Its like those achievements that give you zero Gamerscore for doing something mundane or stupid. F.E.A.R. had an achievement for killing yourself over and over again in a multiplayer game for a whole zero Gamerscore and I did it because I wanted the achievement. I felt as if I was wasting my time and I hated the whole experience.

Secret Service had an achivement called Expert Marksman - Shoot a Whole Magazine without hitting anyone. xD

I remember playing Too Human and getting an achievement for killing my guy 100 times, that's not an accomplishment. Having to restart 100 times meant that I was doing badly, I don't want a reward for that. I did poorly, you don't get awarded for doing poorly.

Jaysonguy

And you know what sucked about that Achievement? Dying took like 40 seconds to respawn.

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I remember playing Too Human and getting an achievement for killing my guy 100 times, that's not an accomplishment. Having to restart 100 times meant that I was doing badly, I don't want a reward for that. I did poorly, you don't get awarded for doing poorly.

DamianAlexander

And you know what sucked about that Achievement? Dying took like 40 seconds to respawn.

YES!

Waiting to have that angel come down and aparently read her favorite book to you was a pain

I didn't even try for that one, I was just playing and "boop" 5 points showed up and I checked it and it's like thanks for the award of suckatuge!

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I remember playing Too Human and getting an achievement for killing my guy 100 times, that's not an accomplishment. Having to restart 100 times meant that I was doing badly, I don't want a reward for that. I did poorly, you don't get awarded for doing poorly.

Jaysonguy

And you know what sucked about that Achievement? Dying took like 40 seconds to respawn.

YES!

Waiting to have that angel come down and aparently read her favorite book to you was a pain

I didn't even try for that one, I was just playing and "boop" 5 points showed up and I checked it and it's like thanks for the award of suckatuge!

"It's an angle... She's so beautiful... And slow... She's really slow... The guy I'm playing with is getting trashed I really need her to hurry up... Oh God he's about to die and she still hasn't come here... I need to use the bathroom... I'll be right back... Several seconds later... She still hasn't taken me to heaven yet... Oh great, now he's dead..."

Which reminds me! Toruk had an Achievement where you had to betray your teammates. Boy was that infuriating when somebody was going for it.

there is an achievment in soulcaliber IV for pushing start

I'd rather get those achievements than achievements from a game like King Kong or The Last airbender. Those ones are just wrong they're so easy.iamdanthaman

Hey! It took me five whole minutes of button mashing "B" so that I could get the Avatar The Last Airbender Achievements! Five whole minutes! So don't you tell me that was easy!

I think most of those achievements for doing badly are kind of more of a joke. Like you do something stupid like throw a grenade and it accidentally hits a wall and bounces back and kill you. Then you see an achievement pop up.

But yeah achievements are supposed to be something you are proud of.

Depending, some of those "Wow, you suck" achievements are kind of funny. Now in more serious games with a zero gamerscore achievement itis, as previously stated, a record of how you've been playing the game. It's not likethere's an achievement worth some absurd number of points for entering any cheat codes into GTA IV so many times.

I'm reminded of the achievments in the Simpson's Game. Things like "Press Start to play" which you achieve when you press start to begin the game from the title screen for the first time. I do believe you get onefor dying so many times in a level and I want to say it's worth 5 points or something. Plus, theSimpson'sGame has a collection elementin each level.These include the video game cliches. Some cliches include thepitfalland drowning. And,if I recall this correctly, there is an achievement forcollecting all cliches. What about the "oddball" funny achievements that aren't about skill at all but about doing something strange or out of sorts with the normin the game? What aboutachievments like "Friend of the People" (throw 1000 florins on the ground), "Red Light Addict" (spend 3000 florinson courteseans), or"PerfectHarmony" (Dye your clothesWetlands Ebony and Wetlands Ivory)in Assassin's Creed 2 or the achievement in GTA IV for rolling a car 5 times in a single crash? Therolling one actually does take a little butof work.Howver,obviously, dying your clothes inAssassin's Creed 2 or throwing money aroundhave nothingto do with skill. Yes, the courteseansact asa controllable blend spot butrelying too heavily on them for cover would be a sign of weakness.

Then there are games like Avatar: The Last Airbender. I noticed in an older issue of Xbox Magazine it was given an award for literally handing out achievements hand over fist. The article mentioned that it grants achievements any time you do anything. So does it rouse your ire that someone could acquire that game and use it to pad their gamerscore?

Then there's Gamefly. The more games you play, the more achievements you can get and, conversly,the higher your gamerscore. Does it irk you that some people have Gamefly memberships and are able to use that toplay more games without them actually having to pay a retailer the full pricefor the games?

The question I'm trying to lead you to is this: Are you unhappy with the fact that there is an achievement for something like dying 100 times? Or are you unhappy with the fact that yougot iton your record?

The question I'm trying to lead you to is this: Are you unhappy with the fact that there is an achievement for something like dying 100 times? Or are you unhappy with the fact that yougot iton your record?

Shub-Niggurath

Nah the dying I'm cool with, I've died plenty of times in games. If people only think it's 100 I'm ahead in the scheme of things lol

It's the whole fact that achievements are supposed to be an award system based on your accomplishments and the whole "rewarding poor gameplay" doesn't fit.

The whole point of games are to succeed, there's no game out there that you do well by not doing well so I don't see being rewarded for it

Which reminds me! Toruk had an Achievement where you had to betray your teammates. Boy was that infuriating when somebody was going for it.

DamianAlexander

This reminds me of a thing a read awhile ago about how microsoft detect what people do with games (complete campaign first and stuff like that) through acheivments. Maybe these "You suck = 0G" acheivments are to measure how good the people are at playing the game?

Be proud of your Too Human achievements!

Playing that game was like running a full marathon while undergoing water torture, and we're better men for having perservered.

achieving rank E was in DOA4 was pretty depressing but thats when i was new i eventually bounced back to become an A rank fighter almost made S. Did the same thing in DOA ultimate but that was for the first xbox. I like em though as long as its worth 0 points its kinda cool to be able to say i 1000ed that game withoutsucking

Just today I got a Trophy for getting offered the Easy mode in God of War, which you unlock by dying a lot. :P Its not an achievement, but close enough.
I'm sure that I've had achievements just like that, but I can't think of any right now.

Umm, in WaW, there is an achievement called purple heart for dying over and over...Mythomniac

I think it is funny how there are 0 point achievements in World at War for achieving the first level of "Prestige" and then the 10th level. I can't imagine the kind of nerdage it would take to achieve those.

Wasnt there one in guitar hero 2 for failing a song on easy or something? stupid, lol

I enjoy being mocked by games on occasion. It shows that the developers have a sense of humor.

ya i did to , i hate guitar hero for that 0 gamerscore thing

i also hate when mk3 has one thats only worh 8 making my last digit not even

I got an achievement for pressing "continue" after dying 100 times in Ninja Gaiden 2. It is actually an accomplishment considering how frustrating and challenging the game can be lol.

In Superman Returns you get an achievement for using a cheat code.. although I didn't mind, the pic of the achievement is funny. On a different note, I agree that dying 100 times isn't really an 'achievement,' but I hate even more themultiplayer achievements... c'mon, I barely find people in Bioshock 2, how am I suppose to get the achievements from The Darkness?

In Superman Returns you get an achievement for using a cheat code.. although I didn't mind, the pic of the achievement is funny. On a different note, I agree that dying 100 times isn't really an 'achievement,' but I hate even more themultiplayer achievements... c'mon, I barely find people in Bioshock 2, how am I suppose to get the achievements from The Darkness?

androflash

LOL I actually got the killing spree achievement from The Darkness. Then the servers were dead empty forever.

Since Turok came up I was looking over the achievements and found this one

Ok WTH?

This is another example of behavior that doesn't deserve to be rewarded. So you're playing online and some fool has to kill his own team member plus himself to get it? That's reinforcing players to not only be jerks but then get rewarded for playing poorly

Since Turok came up I was looking over the achievements and found this one

Grab Bag10Kill at least 1 creature, 1 enemy, 1 teammate, and yourself in the same round of a public match

Ok WTH?

This is another example of behavior that doesn't deserve to be rewarded. So you're playing online and some fool has to kill his own team member plus himself to get it? That's reinforcing players to not only be jerks but then get rewarded for playing poorly

Jaysonguy

Yep, it was up for a few weeks before they patched it. I'm telling you, real pain in the ass.

Gamerscore galore....for what? Achievements are either routinely earned or picked up from severe grinding. There's hardly anything in-between unless the developers want you to exploit a game's quirks and nuances just for fun. I still can't get over Guitar Hero 3's diabolical list. As far as gamerscore for dying and such, perhaps they should turn them into NEGATIVE values to dissuade getting these so-called "achievements." Or, perhaps they should implement an "underachiever" gamerscore for said failures. huh????

Yeah, those annoy me.

i just hate all collectibles cheevos