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Gothic 3 is the worst gothic experience imo.

topsemag55

Even if it was, I like the fact that it doesn't crash at all on my PC.

Gothic 2 + Expansion was excellent, I was very glad I put the time in to get past the initial learning curve. Gothic 3 didn't really catch my interest so I haven't put heaps of hours into it yet. I would definitely recommend 2 over 3 from what I've seen so far.danb0

+1

Gothic 3 is the worst gothic experience imo.

[QUOTE="machiavell8x8"]$20 says anyone who doesn't like stalker, loves oblivion and thinks its better than morrowind. just a hunch :)Aelius28

unfortunatly it;s because of you developers/greedy m*%(^ create retarded games....so that you can play them so that you will buy them.

There's a litle quote for you "yes...tehy are fools, but they are many"

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you won;t care about crysis because it;s crap now and will allways be crap.

dnuggs40

Oh ok thanks for that, I'll just forget how much fun I had playing it because you said that.

Geesh...some people...I'll tell ya.

you didn't get it did you?

i'm saying that that game is never going to be a classic because it laks substance. It;s more of a tech demo like quake 2 was back then.

Don;t get me rong ...i played them with great enthusiasm and all that but in the end they had no substance. I don;t look back at quake 2's single player and think "wow what a great game that was....".

But if you think about system shock or deus ex...then that;s someting else.

These old games are classics because you can remember the story and the characters.i've lost days and nihgts just to see how the story would evolve and not to see how the uber lvl 100000 armor looks like on my cool character. This is what makes a game great.

Games now days try to much to adress to everybody. Why? Just to sqeeze more money. Gaming has become an industry. I think i can compare modern games with greenhouse fruits and old games with eco fruits. :)) On the surface the modern1s look great, but the taste they leave in your mouth is horible

[QUOTE="Agent_Kaliaver"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Na, it's far beyond aesthetics...it's interfaces, control schemes, limited movement, ect, ect, ect. It's all due to older technology and back then it was great, but after playing new games with full 3D motion, smooth animations, physics, intuitive & interactive interfaces, better controls, ect it all adds up to a better experience. I love my time with those games back then...was fun...but new games is where it's at.dnuggs40

you won;t care about crysis because it;s crap now and will allways be crap.

Okay, the topic is RPG's, so back to that. I suppose even the great Fallouts have their faults in the UI and such, but the writing holds up. It just seems like any RPG (or adventure game for that matter) made in '99 had great writing. But with the tech these days, I guess its easier to just visualize with brilliant graphics what these guys used to write about. But I don't know; something got lost in the process.

Cherub_Rock

Fallout.

What is lost you ask? It;s the free will that is lost, the weapons, the raiders the life in the city the quests.

I remember beeing able choose sides (slavers, gangster famillys......) beeing able to talk your way out of things, the replayeble factor. In fallout 2 you could create diffrent characters and get a diffrent experience -> you could be a lucky bastard, a brute, a thief, a intelligent player........anything. The game wold fit like a glove for any1.

And don;t forget it was a damn hard game...i remember saving loading cursing........great fun :). Nowdays i forget to save.....any mistake if forgiveable and that dosn;t give me any satisfaction. I rly whant to belive that i have to give my best to beat the game.

i read all the coments because i found the subjesct rly interesting.i'm playing sice 1992 so i think i can comment on the above.

playing games is like drugs. When you play the first game you get a senzation that u will never get again in your life. You search for it playing retarded games (like fallout 3 hopeing that the game will be a combination of fallout 2 baldur's gate and morrowind; i played fallout 3 on the hardest lvl and i couldn't find any real challange) but it's not there. I remember that on the old games you could submerge into the game, you could identify yourself with the character......What i'm saying is that the new games are a bit shalow and lak substance. They do have great graphics but that dosn;t help..it;s simply not enough.

Bottom line: old games are for old gamers who try to relive the magic. The only hope for a "junky" is a new game type or a diffrent aproach to the old style (