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its made up of cells and it responds to stimuli. it most certainly is alivenotconspiracyThere are more than two characteristics of life.
[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]at what point does the fetus become a child?I consider it after he/she comes out of the mother's vagina and what bearing does going through someone's vagina have on one's personhood?There are multiple definitions. The first one listed in the dictionary states after birth. which dictionary? Does it matter?[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"]@notconspiracy: Women have the right to choose whether or not they want a baby. This choice begins when they're deciding whether or not she wants to have sex. The rapist had sex with her even though she refused. Plus, a fetus, contrary to popular belief, is not a child. Especially before prenatal development.notconspiracy
I just read this, and man are you spouting bull.:lol:
From the dictionary:
1.having life; living; existing; not dead or lifeless. 2.living (used for emphasis): the proudest man alive. 3.in a state of action; in force or operation; active: to keep hope alive. 4.full of energy and spirit; lively: Grandmother's more alive than most of her contemporaries. 5.having the quality of life; vivid; vibrant: The room was alive with color. 6.Electricity. live2 (def. 17). -Idioms 7.alive to, alert or sensitive to; aware of: City planners are alive to the necessity of revitalizing deteriorating neighborhoods. 8.alive with, filled with living things; swarming; teeming: The room was alive with mosquitoes. 9.look alive! pay attention! move quickly!: Look alive! We haven't got all day.
[Origin: bef. 1000; ME; OE on līfe in life; see a-1]
-Related forms a·live·ness, noun
-Synonyms 4. active. -Antonyms 1. dead. 3. defunct. 4. lifeless. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share Thisa·live (ə-līv') Pronunciation Key
adj.
- Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.
- In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.
- Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.
- Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.
[Middle English : a-, in a specified state; see a-2 + live, life (from Old English līf; see life).]
a·live'ness n.
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alive
c.1200, from O.E. on life "in living." The fuller form on live was still current 17c. Alive and kicking "alert, vigorous," attested from 1859.
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adjective1. possessing life; "the happiest person alive"; "the nerve is alive"; "doctors are working hard to keep him alive"; "burned alive"; "a live canary" [ant: dead] 2. (often followed by 'with') full of life and spirit; "she was wonderfully alive for her age"; "a face alive with mischief" 3. having life or vigor or spirit; "an animated and expressive face"; "animated conversation"; "became very animated when he heard the good news" [syn: animated] [ant: unanimated] 4. (followed by 'to' or 'of') aware of; "is alive to the moods of others" 5. in operation; "keep hope alive"; "the tradition was still alive"; "an active tradition" [syn: active] 6. mentally perceptive and responsive;"an alert mind"; "alert to the problems"; "alive to what is going on"; "awake to the dangers of her situation"; "was now awake to the reality of his predicament" [syn: alert] 7. capable of erupting; "a live volcano"; "the volcano is very much alive"
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alive
In addition to the idioms beginning with alive, also see come alive; eat someone alive; look alive; more dead than alive; skin alive.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
Copyright © 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source - Share This
alive1 [əˈlaiv] adjective
living and not dead
Example: Queen Victoria was still alive in 1900.
again, why does someone have to be out of the uterus to be a person?
I said "child", not "life". I didn't say it's a "life" when it goes through the vagina I personally have a different perception of "child" and "life", and what I consider relevant is "life". What is being argued against me is a mere debate of teminology.There seems to be some confusion. I am fine with abortion until the fetus has the same characteristics of life as a new-born baby.
1: when is that?2: why does that determine whether someone is or is not a person?
1: I'm not exactly sure, but it certainly isn't before prenatal development.2. I don't believe you can murder something that is not alive.
so, is a fetus a person?The only thing I care about is whether it is alive or not.[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]at what point does the fetus become a child?I consider it after he/she comes out of the mother's vagina and what bearing does going through someone's vagina have on one's personhood?There are multiple definitions. The first one listed in the dictionary states after birth. which dictionary? Does it matter?[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"]@notconspiracy: Women have the right to choose whether or not they want a baby. This choice begins when they're deciding whether or not she wants to have sex. The rapist had sex with her even though she refused. Plus, a fetus, contrary to popular belief, is not a child. Especially before prenatal development.notconspiracy
I just read this, and man are you spouting bull.:lol:
From the dictionary:
1.having life; living; existing; not dead or lifeless. 2.living (used for emphasis): the proudest man alive. 3.in a state of action; in force or operation; active: to keep hope alive. 4.full of energy and spirit; lively: Grandmother's more alive than most of her contemporaries. 5.having the quality of life; vivid; vibrant: The room was alive with color. 6.Electricity. live2 (def. 17). -Idioms 7.alive to, alert or sensitive to; aware of: City planners are alive to the necessity of revitalizing deteriorating neighborhoods. 8.alive with, filled with living things; swarming; teeming: The room was alive with mosquitoes. 9.look alive! pay attention! move quickly!: Look alive! We haven't got all day.
[Origin: bef. 1000; ME; OE on līfe in life; see a-1]
-Related forms a·live·ness, noun
-Synonyms 4. active. -Antonyms 1. dead. 3. defunct. 4. lifeless. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share Thisa·live (ə-līv') Pronunciation Key
adj.
- Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.
- In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.
- Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.
- Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.
[Middle English : a-, in a specified state; see a-2 + live, life (from Old English līf; see life).]
a·live'ness n.
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alive
c.1200, from O.E. on life "in living." The fuller form on live was still current 17c. Alive and kicking "alert, vigorous," attested from 1859.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas HarperWordNet - Cite This Source - Share Thisalive
adjective1. possessing life; "the happiest person alive"; "the nerve is alive"; "doctors are working hard to keep him alive"; "burned alive"; "a live canary" [ant: dead] 2. (often followed by 'with') full of life and spirit; "she was wonderfully alive for her age"; "a face alive with mischief" 3. having life or vigor or spirit; "an animated and expressive face"; "animated conversation"; "became very animated when he heard the good news" [syn: animated] [ant: unanimated] 4. (followed by 'to' or 'of') aware of; "is alive to the moods of others" 5. in operation; "keep hope alive"; "the tradition was still alive"; "an active tradition" [syn: active] 6. mentally perceptive and responsive;"an alert mind"; "alert to the problems"; "alive to what is going on"; "awake to the dangers of her situation"; "was now awake to the reality of his predicament" [syn: alert] 7. capable of erupting; "a live volcano"; "the volcano is very much alive"
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms - Cite This Source - Share This
alive
In addition to the idioms beginning with alive, also see come alive; eat someone alive; look alive; more dead than alive; skin alive.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
Copyright © 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source - Share This
alive1 [əˈlaiv] adjective
living and not dead
Example: Queen Victoria was still alive in 1900.
again, why does someone have to be out of the uterus to be a person?
I said "child", not "life". I didn't say it's a "life" when it goes through the vagina I personally have a different perception of "child" and "life", and what I consider relevant is "life". What is being argued against me is a mere debate of teminology.There seems to be some confusion. I am fine with abortion until the fetus has the same characteristics of life as a new-born baby.
1: when is that?2: why does that determine whether someone is or is not a person?
1: I'm not exactly sure, but it certainly isn't before prenatal development.2. I don't believe you can murder something that is not alive.
I'm sorry, but my computer doesn't run at light-speed.you still have yet to answer the question that I posed
notconspiracy
[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]at what point does the fetus become a child?I consider it after he/she comes out of the mother's vagina and what bearing does going through someone's vagina have on one's personhood?There are multiple definitions. The first one listed in the dictionary states after birth. which dictionary? Does it matter?[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"]@notconspiracy: Women have the right to choose whether or not they want a baby. This choice begins when they're deciding whether or not she wants to have sex. The rapist had sex with her even though she refused. Plus, a fetus, contrary to popular belief, is not a child. Especially before prenatal development.notconspiracy
I just read this, and man are you spouting bull.:lol:
From the dictionary:
1.having life; living; existing; not dead or lifeless. 2.living (used for emphasis): the proudest man alive. 3.in a state of action; in force or operation; active: to keep hope alive. 4.full of energy and spirit; lively: Grandmother's more alive than most of her contemporaries. 5.having the quality of life; vivid; vibrant: The room was alive with color. 6.Electricity. live2 (def. 17). -Idioms 7.alive to, alert or sensitive to; aware of: City planners are alive to the necessity of revitalizing deteriorating neighborhoods. 8.alive with, filled with living things; swarming; teeming: The room was alive with mosquitoes. 9.look alive! pay attention! move quickly!: Look alive! We haven't got all day.
[Origin: bef. 1000; ME; OE on līfe in life; see a-1]
-Related forms a·live·ness, noun
-Synonyms 4. active. -Antonyms 1. dead. 3. defunct. 4. lifeless. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share Thisa·live (ə-līv') Pronunciation Key
adj.
- Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.
- In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.
- Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.
- Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.
[Middle English : a-, in a specified state; see a-2 + live, life (from Old English līf; see life).]
a·live'ness n.
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alive
c.1200, from O.E. on life "in living." The fuller form on live was still current 17c. Alive and kicking "alert, vigorous," attested from 1859.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas HarperWordNet - Cite This Source - Share Thisalive
adjective1. possessing life; "the happiest person alive"; "the nerve is alive"; "doctors are working hard to keep him alive"; "burned alive"; "a live canary" [ant: dead] 2. (often followed by 'with') full of life and spirit; "she was wonderfully alive for her age"; "a face alive with mischief" 3. having life or vigor or spirit; "an animated and expressive face"; "animated conversation"; "became very animated when he heard the good news" [syn: animated] [ant: unanimated] 4. (followed by 'to' or 'of') aware of; "is alive to the moods of others" 5. in operation; "keep hope alive"; "the tradition was still alive"; "an active tradition" [syn: active] 6. mentally perceptive and responsive;"an alert mind"; "alert to the problems"; "alive to what is going on"; "awake to the dangers of her situation"; "was now awake to the reality of his predicament" [syn: alert] 7. capable of erupting; "a live volcano"; "the volcano is very much alive"
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms - Cite This Source - Share This
alive
In addition to the idioms beginning with alive, also see come alive; eat someone alive; look alive; more dead than alive; skin alive.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
Copyright © 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source - Share This
alive1 [əˈlaiv] adjective
living and not dead
Example: Queen Victoria was still alive in 1900.
again, why does someone have to be out of the uterus to be a person?
I said "child", not "life". I didn't say it's a "life" when it goes through the vagina I personally have a different perception of "child" and "life", and what I consider relevant is "life". What is being argued against me is a mere debate of teminology.There seems to be some confusion. I am fine with abortion until the fetus has the same characteristics of life as a new-born baby.
[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]at what point does the fetus become a child?I consider it after he/she comes out of the mother's vagina and what bearing does going through someone's vagina have on one's personhood?There are multiple definitions. The first one listed in the dictionary states after birth. which dictionary? Does it matter?[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"]@notconspiracy: Women have the right to choose whether or not they want a baby. This choice begins when they're deciding whether or not she wants to have sex. The rapist had sex with her even though she refused. Plus, a fetus, contrary to popular belief, is not a child. Especially before prenatal development.Dracargen
I just read this, and man are you spouting bull.:lol:
From the dictionary:
1.having life; living; existing; not dead or lifeless. 2.living (used for emphasis): the proudest man alive. 3.in a state of action; in force or operation; active: to keep hope alive. 4.full of energy and spirit; lively: Grandmother's more alive than most of her contemporaries. 5.having the quality of life; vivid; vibrant: The room was alive with color. 6.Electricity. live2 (def. 17). -Idioms 7.alive to, alert or sensitive to; aware of: City planners are alive to the necessity of revitalizing deteriorating neighborhoods. 8.alive with, filled with living things; swarming; teeming: The room was alive with mosquitoes. 9.look alive! pay attention! move quickly!: Look alive! We haven't got all day.
[Origin: bef. 1000; ME; OE on līfe in life; see a-1]
-Related forms a·live·ness, noun
-Synonyms 4. active. -Antonyms 1. dead. 3. defunct. 4. lifeless. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share Thisa·live (ə-līv') Pronunciation Key
adj.
- Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.
- In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.
- Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.
- Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.
[Middle English : a-, in a specified state; see a-2 + live, life (from Old English līf; see life).]
a·live'ness n.
(Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.Online Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
alive
c.1200, from O.E. on life "in living." The fuller form on live was still current 17c. Alive and kicking "alert, vigorous," attested from 1859.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas HarperWordNet - Cite This Source - Share Thisalive
adjective1. possessing life; "the happiest person alive"; "the nerve is alive"; "doctors are working hard to keep him alive"; "burned alive"; "a live canary" [ant: dead] 2. (often followed by 'with') full of life and spirit; "she was wonderfully alive for her age"; "a face alive with mischief" 3. having life or vigor or spirit; "an animated and expressive face"; "animated conversation"; "became very animated when he heard the good news" [syn: animated] [ant: unanimated] 4. (followed by 'to' or 'of') aware of; "is alive to the moods of others" 5. in operation; "keep hope alive"; "the tradition was still alive"; "an active tradition" [syn: active] 6. mentally perceptive and responsive;"an alert mind"; "alert to the problems"; "alive to what is going on"; "awake to the dangers of her situation"; "was now awake to the reality of his predicament" [syn: alert] 7. capable of erupting; "a live volcano"; "the volcano is very much alive"
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms - Cite This Source - Share This
alive
In addition to the idioms beginning with alive, also see come alive; eat someone alive; look alive; more dead than alive; skin alive.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
Copyright © 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source - Share This
alive1 [əˈlaiv] adjective
living and not dead
Example: Queen Victoria was still alive in 1900.
According to you, what you have read is the dictionary, something you just showed to be false.:lol:
There's more than one dictionary in existence, but why do you continue this irrelevant topic?at what point does the fetus become a child?I consider it after he/she comes out of the mother's vagina and what bearing does going through someone's vagina have on one's personhood?There are multiple definitions. The first one listed in the dictionary states after birth. which dictionary? Does it matter?[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"]@notconspiracy: Women have the right to choose whether or not they want a baby. This choice begins when they're deciding whether or not she wants to have sex. The rapist had sex with her even though she refused. Plus, a fetus, contrary to popular belief, is not a child. Especially before prenatal development.Dracargen
I just read this, and man are you spouting bull.:lol:
From the dictionary:
1.having life; living; existing; not dead or lifeless. 2.living (used for emphasis): the proudest man alive. 3.in a state of action; in force or operation; active: to keep hope alive. 4.full of energy and spirit; lively: Grandmother's more alive than most of her contemporaries. 5.having the quality of life; vivid; vibrant: The room was alive with color. 6.Electricity. live2 (def. 17). -Idioms 7.alive to, alert or sensitive to; aware of: City planners are alive to the necessity of revitalizing deteriorating neighborhoods. 8.alive with, filled with living things; swarming; teeming: The room was alive with mosquitoes. 9.look alive! pay attention! move quickly!: Look alive! We haven't got all day.
[Origin: bef. 1000; ME; OE on līfe in life; see a-1]
-Related forms a·live·ness, noun
-Synonyms 4. active. -Antonyms 1. dead. 3. defunct. 4. lifeless. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share Thisa·live (ə-līv') Pronunciation Key
adj.
- Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.
- In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.
- Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.
- Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.
[Middle English : a-, in a specified state; see a-2 + live, life (from Old English līf; see life).]
a·live'ness n.
(Download Now or Buy the Book) The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2006 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.Online Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
alive
c.1200, from O.E. on life "in living." The fuller form on live was still current 17c. Alive and kicking "alert, vigorous," attested from 1859.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas HarperWordNet - Cite This Source - Share Thisalive
adjective1. possessing life; "the happiest person alive"; "the nerve is alive"; "doctors are working hard to keep him alive"; "burned alive"; "a live canary" [ant: dead] 2. (often followed by 'with') full of life and spirit; "she was wonderfully alive for her age"; "a face alive with mischief" 3. having life or vigor or spirit; "an animated and expressive face"; "animated conversation"; "became very animated when he heard the good news" [syn: animated] [ant: unanimated] 4. (followed by 'to' or 'of') aware of; "is alive to the moods of others" 5. in operation; "keep hope alive"; "the tradition was still alive"; "an active tradition" [syn: active] 6. mentally perceptive and responsive;"an alert mind"; "alert to the problems"; "alive to what is going on"; "awake to the dangers of her situation"; "was now awake to the reality of his predicament" [syn: alert] 7. capable of erupting; "a live volcano"; "the volcano is very much alive"
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms - Cite This Source - Share This
alive
In addition to the idioms beginning with alive, also see come alive; eat someone alive; look alive; more dead than alive; skin alive.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms by Christine Ammer.
Copyright © 1997 by The Christine Ammer 1992 Trust. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version) - Cite This Source - Share This
alive1 [əˈlaiv] adjective
living and not dead
Example: Queen Victoria was still alive in 1900.
[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"]and why is a fetus not life?Growth is a charecteristic of life, and prenatal development is growth, but that does not begin automatically. It usually happens 8 weeks after fertilization.[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"] @Dracargen: Yes, it should be. Especially if it's before prenatal development. Its not life at that point. Dracargen
The fetus also does not immediately begin responding to stimuli the second after fertilization.
all cells respond to stimuli. its alive. whether its a person is the question and the question does not have an objective answer. While this is true, there will always be abortion.If there will always be abortion, and we have no objective answer to whether or not it is a person, why are we catering to the minority who believe it is not a person and therefore should be allowed to kill it?
Because the people who are against abortion usually get their way, too.at what point does the fetus become a child?I consider it after he/she comes out of the mother's vagina and what bearing does going through someone's vagina have on one's personhood?There are multiple definitions. The first one listed in the dictionary states after birth.[QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Agustin_Barrios"]@notconspiracy: Women have the right to choose whether or not they want a baby. This choice begins when they're deciding whether or not she wants to have sex. The rapist had sex with her even though she refused. Plus, a fetus, contrary to popular belief, is not a child. Especially before prenatal development.Dracargen
So it's perfectly okay to kill it five minutes before birth, or even during birth?
Talk about messed up logic. . .
I consider a "child" after birth, but that's not the point. I don't think you can kill something that is not considered a life. Growth is a characteristic of life , and prenatal development doesn't begin until 8 weeks after fertilization. You misread my logic.
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