I'm not saying this as afanboy but as a standout point at where this all stands. Incase you haven'y heard M$ has created their own mp3 player to compete with apple's (succuessful) ipod(s). Now there 1st try didn;t go the way M$ expected it to go. The first zune was not horrible but not better than the5th gen.ipod last year. Ok so M$ is back but this time they've brought along a competior for the nano. Know i dont know why but M$ calls the new zune "Zune 80" and the slimmer nano-like (but acually better) "Zune 4 and 8". The numbers mean it capcity in GB. the older zune "Zune 30" will still sell, i think. Anyways this new zune looks awsome. there are sleeker, slimmer and better lookingthan the new "fattie" ipods. And because M$ is a software company the Zune OS>>>>>>>>>>the ipod OS. also thenew zune has new and innovative features such as enhaced wireless file sharing (from the last gen zune but better of course) and a built-in fm tuner (most mp3s dont today and guess y b/c apple doesnt on the ipod so other companies have to copy apple b/c thats how they will win - yeah, rite). Well M$ is set to kill the classic and nano. People will not inderstand that M$ is targeting only ipod calassic and nano right now. M$ will not come out with a zune to kill the finger greesy ipod touch and to small to matter shuffle..... yet. Anyways Everything looks good and m$ is ready toeat some of apple's market share. for more info about the new zune visit www.zune.net or www.zunescene.com.