[QUOTE="wreak"]

[QUOTE="rety5"]7.0 to 8.0 due to hype and lack of new stuff (yes they now remove points for those sort of things)icarus212001

lack of new stuff? have you been living under a rock or somthing? halo 3 is jammed right up the ass w/ new content, it's a lil hard to believe actually.

Are you kidding me, to start 4 player (online) co-op, then there is forge which is a very interesting idea it melds a map editor with a game mode creator and its online too with I believe up to 8 players, new weapons, new maps, saved films, and on bungie.net has some of the most properley implemented statistics and stats on the site you can't beat that, even in the beta it was good and that was a small fraction.

Then the story is coming to a conclusion. This game does look fantastic, but I'm not saying it's the best game ever I'm just saying it looks amazing with some of the new feastures. But I will wait to see reviews after it launches to judge.

My oppinion is it's tied, between Oblivion and Dead Rising.

I'm not biased either I have BioShock, it is up there but I put so many hours in both games. I can't justify putting down BioShock after spending 5 hours playing it. But it is shaping up to become one of them, once I beat it I'll decide.