My favourite dog breed is the Siberian Husky or Alaskan Malamute.

I'm gay.

[QUOTE="Deadite1"]

There are only 2 sex offenders where I live.

Film-Guy

you live with 2 sex offenders:shock:

lol!! I meant that there's only 2 in my town.

There are only 2 sex offenders where I live.

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="Bandit_Haze"]

gay people, and gay supporters i meet, are almost always trying to get no gay supporters to "join their cause"

if somebody wants to be gay thats their business, i don't agree withor support it, but hey, it aint nothing to do with me, ... but because i don't support it, now i'm labled a homophobe

1st of all i aint afraid of no poof ...andif they think what they're doing is right, then why do they even care what i or others think anyway

Bandit_Haze

The thing with what your saying is that it's not acceptance, it's ignorance (or ignore-rance...). Your labelled a homophobe, not because you don't support it, but because you don't accept/tolerate it, you say thinks like it doesn't bother you...but there is something in your post that suggests to me that it does bother you and your simply trying to bury your head in the sand/ignore anything related to gays.

As for the last bit. A little emphathy might help here. If you felt you had no control over your sexual orientation and were attacked or outcast for it, wouldn't you seek acceptance?

Not sure what you mean by "no proof" (as far as I know there is no convincing objective proof on either side).

actually, to be clear, i meant wha said, "i aint, afraid of no poof".... granted it was bad grammer, but thats it..

anyway, its not about whether you have control over ur feelings or not... i know i don't sometimes.. but you do have control over ur actions, so if you honestly believed that your actions are right.. then you don't need anybodies approval, or acceptance, because you know your right.. for eg, if sombody told 1+1=45 but you know 1+1=2, it wouldn't matter if the whole world laughed at you, you would know your right... see, the fact that they're seeking acceptance from people shows to me that deep down, they don't really like themselves and need to be told they're normal to feel better.

now you could call me arrogant, or whatever, but i promise you thats a fact, if you need to be accepted by other people, its because you haven't accepted yourself

I accept myself and the fact that I'm gay I'd like to get married and adopt kids one day, but that isn't going to happen if people aren't more accepting of gays, lesbians, and transgenders. It would also be nice to live in a world where I could kiss/hold hands with my boyfriend without fearing that we could get beaten up or killed.

[QUOTE="DejaVu72"]

Well, animals are a good example. Animals, the more primal, the better, do what is completely natural to them. Morals/ethics were created as a form of protection. My brother, back when he was in college, told me about these eskimo tribes (I think it was eskimos, may be not), that have had ALL ethics exluded from their lives. They only did what was natural to them. That's Why I believe my first statement about animals and acting upon what is natural to them.

Now, I apply it to this: If some animals commit homosexual acts (There have been many), then I believe it is natural, rather than by choice. Although there are most likely a few people who just choose it because they are...well, their mind isn't wrapped so tight, so to speak.

My thoughts...

cliff122316

hmm this is a very convincing point, and difficult to refute. though i suppose that continuing my theory i should say that the animals had experiences at a young age before they understood their sexuality that caused them to become gay when they became sexual. it could happen haha

Just out of curiosity. Do you have any idea what those "experiences" are?

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="cliff122316"][QUOTE="Deadite1"][QUOTE="cliff122316"]

i think it is a choice. gays are a product of their environment. something caused them to be attracted to the same sex. i beleive they claim that it is not a choice to ward of discrimination. i find it to be sad that they do not have the pride to stand up for their choice. if that is your choice and you beleive it is right then why are you taking the decision part out of it and cowering behind the claim that you have no choice. it shows fear on their part, somewhat understandably.

but still when i get with a girl and my friends get on my for it for one reason or another i dont say "hey you cant make fun of me i didnt have a choice, i was made to be attracted to her" that is the easy way out. it puts the problem in the same category as rascism so that it is a social no-no to say anything about it, thus saving the person any criticism. I choose to say "yes i am attracted to this person and i stand by my decision to do so and will deal with any problems that arise from it." be proud of who you are, stand up for what you believe, and deal with any of the consequences of who you are with pride and dignity.

cliff122316

So, did you choose to be straight?

i think i did. i think the environment i grew up in lead me to beleive that it was natural and right to be straight. so i grew up that way. if my environment had taught me that being gay was correct i probably would have been gay

then why are there gays who grew up being told its not right yet are still gay most homosexuals say they were born that way. that they had always been attracted to the same sex, they didnt wake up one day and go, you know what, i know its consider wrong by some many, but i think ill start liking the same sex.

well if it is genetic then how did the gene that promotes homosexuality survive? homosexuals cant reproduce so wouldnt the gene die out, leaving no more homosexuals?



to answer your question, yes the majority of society says that homosexuality is wrong, leading to the very low number of homosexuals because most people conform. but some feel a need to rebel against the norm, and homosexuality is their chosen outlet for this.



if society does not accept them then they find their own niche by becoming homosexual. i think their must be some incident in a persons life that causes them to feel the need to be homosexual. wether it is the need to rebel, fit in, or if they were one of the few people raised in a homosexually condusive environment everyone has a reason even if they dont realize it.



you wont find many teens (the time in a persons life when they learn about their sexuality, and also a very difficult time socially for many people) who say "yes i became homosexual to rebel against my parents who tried to mold me into what they wanted me to be, and also because i could not find many friends and the gays at school accepted me instantly for being gay i think this is the case in many scenarios but many people dont realize it or admit it

That's ridiculous. I grew up in a household that never mentioned homosexuality andI am a homosexual. I'm not trying to rebel or "fit in." If I was trying to fit in, I would lead a false live by pretending to be straight and repressing my true feelings.

Also, going by your logic. Since I was raised by straight parents, shouldn't I be straight as well?

i think it is a choice. gays are a product of their environment. something caused them to be attracted to the same sex. i beleive they claim that it is not a choice to ward of discrimination. i find it to be sad that they do not have the pride to stand up for their choice. if that is your choice and you beleive it is right then why are you taking the decision part out of it and cowering behind the claim that you have no choice. it shows fear on their part, somewhat understandably.

but still when i get with a girl and my friends get on my for it for one reason or another i dont say "hey you cant make fun of me i didnt have a choice, i was made to be attracted to her" that is the easy way out. it puts the problem in the same category as rascism so that it is a social no-no to say anything about it, thus saving the person any criticism. I choose to say "yes i am attracted to this person and i stand by my decision to do so and will deal with any problems that arise from it." be proud of who you are, stand up for what you believe, and deal with any of the consequences of who you are with pride and dignity.

cliff122316

So, did you choose to be straight?