@fLaMbOaStiN Yes, a PvP zone like Wintergrasp is coming in Cataclysm, however since I'm not much of a PvP'er myself, I'm not sure of the rules here, but when you say that Wintergrasp is "dead" do you mean at your level or end game (80)? Anyways.. You are right that world pvp isn't the focus of WoW and never has been, but with rated battlegrounds coming in Cataclysm, bigger battles than just 5v5 arena can be set up with guildies, so that might be something for you. @immunis Quite sure it is.