[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]i can't believe you actually believe this tripe. you're a corporations' wet dreamSlow_Show

I'm arguing for creator's rights. The alternative to my position is being able to sue every author, musician, writer, painter and filmmaker in existance for false advertising whenever their product fails to meet your personal expectations or they decide "hey, maybe that idea I had three months ago wasn't so great after all".

So, uh, if that makes me a corporation's wet dream, so be it? I for one kinda like the idea of artists being able to produce, well, art.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]So your moving the goal posts then? You were first attacking the person who filed the complaint, and now that I have shown you the proof (Still want that reaper victory ending I asked from you) You are now saying it is the consumrs fault and they should have know that this was false advertising before the game came out?Slow_Show

I'm not moving the goalposts, I'm pointing out how just how tortured the logic behind this argument is. To be clear:

1) BioWare owes the audience exactly jack sh*t. As a creative endeavour everything about the game is necessarily wrapped in a shroud of subjectivity, so the fact you don't like it doesn't have any greater implications than the fact you didn't like it.

2) Statements made pre-release mean exactly jack sh*t. BioWare as the creator is entitled to make changes to the product as they see fit right up to release (and, arguably, even beyond).

3) Furthermore, taking the statements of the creator as the gospel truth about the quality of a subjective product is beyond stupid. The onus has always been on the consumer to thoroughly research a product before buying.

And because you asked so nicely: fire up the ending sequence and just wait around for a few mintues. See what happens. ;)

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

well, you seem pretty knowledgeable, please define the term entitlement for us

Zaibach

caveat emptor, buyer beware, I wont pretend to have been a part of the zeitgeist of the mass effect promises, wether they were implicitly written or perhaps it was an off the coff statement by the devs. But here you have a creative team of people who have dedicated years of their lives to create something that you have become attached and to some extent LOVE.

But because you feel dissapointed in the end product, you feel like your best recourse is to sue them. The Aamerican litigation is out of control. and the idea that you are owed something as a result is the definition of entitlement.

However I will concede that the execution of the whole thing on biowares part has been woeful, but there is no legal recourse here, simple as

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[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

So, uh, that kind of begs the question as to why BioWare isn't allowed to change their minds (because it's not like that ever happens with creative endeavours)? Or why consumers made their purchasing decision based on the statements of the person selling the game (who, shockingly, is a touch biased?)? You may be aware that there's an entire industry devoted to independently judging the quality of games.

peterw007

They are allowed to change their minds but they need to tell people that before they buy the game for promises they made prior to that. Like I said earlier Nissan is allowed to change their minds but if they advertise a car with a 3.5L 300hp engine but then 'change their mind' without anyone knowing to a 3 litre 240hp engine, its illegal and they can be sued over it.

Did anyone...anyone really buy ME3 for the ending?

Did BioWare's false claims about the ending really convince anybody to buy the game?

I think BioWare just overpromised their fans, like Peter Molyneux loved to do wtih the Fable franchise.

The only thing we should take away from this is to be more wary about BioWare's "promises" in the future.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] 1. I know, I'm perfect ;) 2. Bioware owes what they promised. They promised you CAN lose to the Reapers, now, go find me an ending that shows that. I'll wait. Or how about the fact they said "It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.". That is blatently false. There is only 1 ending cutscene, with VERY small differences (by small, I mean 5% small).Slow_Show

So, uh, that kind of begs the question as to why BioWare isn't allowed to change their minds (because it's not like that ever happens with creative endeavours)? Or why consumers made their purchasing decision based on the statements of the person selling the game (who, shockingly, is a touch biased?)? You may be aware that [size=24]there's an entire industry devoted to independently judging the quality of games.[/size]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]

add another what? do YOU know what entitled means?

Zaibach

well, you seem pretty knowledgeable, please define the term entitlement for us

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]No, they are both rigth, you dont see this idiotic behaviour in any other medium.

Zaibach

add another what? do YOU know what entitled means?

This goes to show you how entitled gamers are.

Why would anybody want to be a game developer when their own audience hates them?