If the first one doesnt "hook" him, then neither will the others.

4NGoods

No offense, but the way you phrased that makes MGS fandom sound like a cult. If it is, let me make it perfectly clear that I will not drink any of your Kool-Aid. ( '-') ...Maybe I'd drink blood, but no Kool-Aid. :evil:

...(that means MSG4 and the old Essentialsfor PS2, which I intend to use on the PS3) because I wasn't able to get them all when they were first released. (I know, it was stupid of me to think money is more important than awesome video games :(. Please forgive me.) Now, though, with the power of luck and extreme bargain hunting, I think I stand a chance of filling that hole in my gaming collection that's been bugging me for a while now. My only question is, of the 4 games, since I'm probably getting them all simultaneously, which should I play first?! :? Perhaps some wiser PS3 gamers who already have the whole series might tell me an order in which to play them, once they arrive...?

Which means?

FamiBox

That it doesn't matter what other people think here- it's just a forum.

Or, in other words, that it's not important, this whole argument started with a stupid comment on a picture, and this thread is not a religious discussion thread, nor even if it were one would it be neccecary to go on a wild tangent about Atheism and Christianity.

Now, back to the laughing.

Seems you guys aren't motivated enough to make good pictures, and we all know what that means...

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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

1. Ah, so you cherry pick that to be symbolic?

2. What difference does it make.

3. So I won't burn in hell when I die?

4. you mean symbolically. Yeah, for what ever reason you do it for you still do it (which is pretty funny.)

5. That is an obvious joke which obviously refers to the so called rising of Jesus from the dead. Just as absurd in my opinion.

And no. You started trolling. Go back and look. Calling someone ignorant and laughing at them is trolling. Ask a mod if you like. It is an obvious intent to annoy.

No you do not know atheists who believe what that describes. Atheists do not believe in magic. Nothing magically exploded, and the big band was not an explosion... not that any of this has anything to do with atheism which only means to lack belief in a deity... and that is the problem with that image someone made, it makes no sense.

FamiBox

1. It's what I believe in and how I interpret the scriptures. Nothing more than that,

2. You tell me. You were the one stating this depiction was fact of what Christians believe which is entirely false.

3. That's not for me to decide. I have no idea. Are you a good person?

4. I have no idea what you meant by this.

5. So we agree the zombie part was absurd at least.

The trolling began with you. That depiction of Christianity is only meant to offend Christians. You stated this depiction was a fact of what Christians believe and started trolling. Whether you meant to or not.

Yes I do. I work with one and my neighbor is another. You have no idea who I know which is obvious. These twobelieve a lot of what that pic descibes.

1. So maybe you personally take it as symbolic but many don't.

2. A tree that has knowledge of good and evil created by god with poisonous fruit. Sounds pretty magic, never seen a tree like that before.

3. This refers to the fact that apparently, because of Adam and Eve, we are all sinners. That is what it is meant by evil force.

4. You are a native speaker of English, right?

5. We agree that it was a joke obviously referring to his apparent rising.

It's a joke. Yes, it might annoy you, but at least it makes sense. It's clever. Anyone can understand what everything it says is referring to. The atheist one makes no sense, that is the problem. It is only what uneducated creationists think what atheism is. If you'd like to make a new one about atheism please do. Maybe you can do better.

I would go and talk with your so called atheist neighbour. Ask him if he believes in magic.

Ugh, so intense an argument. I can think of only one logical explanation...

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Note: The following statements list reasons why the church cannot and should not accept homosexuality inside the church AND NOT OUT. It does nottakea politically neutral stance and some may find it offensive or discriminatory. Please note that all of the statements apply only to homosexuals inside the church body and does NOT apply to homosexuals of any religion outside Christianity.

OK, I'm gonna sum up all the reasons why homosexuality should be frowned upon religiously in 3 main reasons:

1. Homosexuality is, indeed, a sin. Leviticus 18:22 confirms God didn't make people that way, sin did. But that alone wouldn't exclude a person from the church, as they'd exclude pretty much all of humanity, too. But the real exclusionary reason is because of the second reason:
2. Homosexuality is to be treated as any other sin. Yes, often an abominable sexual orientation is not a person's fault; just as lust, jealousy, greed and gluttony are not- it can be a by-product of human nature. However, like all sins, that does not excuse you from judgement day, and is precisely the reason Christ allowed himself to be brutally beaten and killed- we can't stop ourselves sinning. The church, indeed, should never speak out against unrepentant homosexuals outside the church, but if any order is to be maintained inside the church, homosexuals who act upon their sinful urges and intend to continue to do so cannot be granted forgiveness any more than it can grant forgiveness to a serial killer who intends to violate and kill a little girl after the service, all sin is equal in the sight of God.
3. Homosexuality isn't acceptable in the church, so long as the homosexuals are unrepentant. But if you accept this, then whom should those who only are attracted to the same gender marry? In truth; no one. All sex outside of marriage, in fact, is sin, and the only difference in homosexuality is that it's a sin inside marriage, too. Not every Christian can marry and stay faithful to God, and the same applies to homosexuality. But all sins can be forgiven under Christ, if you believe in him. But you cannot be forgiven if you don't think it's a sin.

Now, all of the preceding statements apply only towards homosexuals whom want to be in the church and allow homosexuality to be accepted in the church, and outside it, the church frankly doesn't care or judge or despise homosexuality anymore than it despises politics in general, and considering the church frequently asserts itself a political entity, i don't imagine it'd be a personal hate at all.

Theokhoth

When you say "repent;" how does one do that when the sin in question is entirely involuntary? It's like repenting for breathing.

This is where opinion is divided among some churches: Some are too lazy to argue and simply do nothing. Others stubbornly refuse to let forced homosexuals in- period, because they continue to be attracted to the same gender. But some actually define sinful homosexuality and say that while it's not sinful to be attracted to the same gender, the sinful part of homosexuality is to have a same-sex relationship, which actually can be resisted as easily as a heterosexual resisting a relationship with a member of the opposite gender. Indeed, even heterosexual relationship has many rules and regulations listed in the bible (namely outside of marriage, and you can only have one relationship with one (wo)man throughout your life, unless said (wo)man commits adultery, in which case you are justified for divorce), so it's not a matter of "you like people of your own gender, you're evil" so much as "you have a sexual relationship with people of your own gender, you can't expect us to pretend that's not wrong for a Christian".

It's not like being sorry for breathing so much as being sorry for cheating on your wife- you could've and should've resisted the urge, but you didn't. And once again, religiously we call that a sin, but if you don't believe in God it's your problem/decision.

I'd buy everything I ever wanted, use them, then put them in a safe, and cryogeniclly freeze myself, so in 1000 years when they can cure anything, I can open the safe, sell all my dream objects to future antique dealers, and buy everything that looks remotely awesome with my trillion dollars. ;)

It obviously depends on the type of church, the people that go there, the people that preach there, and so on and so forth.

Theokhoth

Yes, that's true, too.

Note: The following statements list reasons why the church cannot and should not accept homosexuality inside the church AND NOT OUT. It does nottakea politically neutral stance and some may find it offensive or discriminatory. Please note that all of the statements apply only to homosexuals inside the church body and does NOT apply to homosexuals of any religion outside Christianity.

OK, I'm gonna sum up all the reasons why homosexuality should be frowned upon religiously in 3 main reasons:

1. Homosexuality is, indeed, a sin. Leviticus 18:22 confirms God didn't make people that way, sin did. But that alone wouldn't exclude a person from the church, as they'd exclude pretty much all of humanity, too. But the real exclusionary reason is because of the second reason:
2. Homosexuality is to be treated as any other sin. Yes, often an abominable sexual orientation is not a person's fault; just as lust, jealousy, greed and gluttony are not- it can be a by-product of human nature. However, like all sins, that does not excuse you from judgement day, and is precisely the reason Christ allowed himself to be brutally beaten and killed- we can't stop ourselves sinning. The church, indeed, should never speak out against unrepentant homosexuals outside the church, but if any order is to be maintained inside the church, homosexuals who act upon their sinful urges and intend to continue to do so cannot be granted forgiveness any more than it can grant forgiveness to a serial killer who intends to violate and kill a little girl after the service, all sin is equal in the sight of God.
3. Homosexuality isn't acceptable in the church, so long as the homosexuals are unrepentant. But if you accept this, then whom should those who only are attracted to the same gender marry? In truth; no one. All sex outside of marriage, in fact, is sin, and the only difference in homosexuality is that it's a sin inside marriage, too. Not every Christian can marry and stay faithful to God, and the same applies to homosexuality. But all sins can be forgiven under Christ, if you believe in him. But you cannot be forgiven if you don't think it's a sin.

Now, all of the preceding statements apply only towards homosexuals whom want to be in the church and allow homosexuality to be accepted in the church, and outside it, the church frankly doesn't care or judge or despise homosexuality anymore than it despises politics in general, and considering the church frequently asserts itself a political entity, i don't imagine it'd be a personal hate at all.

And the morale of the story, kiddies, is that when you get your own job and your own paycheck, always put it in a secret savings account, or else the big bad dad will blow your balance down.