[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"]What the **** is ad hominem? GreySeal9

Correct example of an ad hominem:

Incorrect example of an ad hominem:

The definition in the second picture is correct, but simply saying "Idiots. They come in pairs" is not an ad hominem.

[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] not really. you may want to think one group is "better " than the other but both groups are against the status quo, and it would be a third party that is unknowing of the protest and protesters bombing the host nation.

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="HolyRomanEmpero"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] governments no matter how evil get their power from the people, only the people can successfully reform their nation, and it may or may not be in my countries interest for them to do so, its best for outside countries to keep their nose out of other countries internal affairs. i would hate for china to bomb new york to help the protesters the same way we did in Libya

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] because what is good for me, and what i see as good for my country, may or may not be good for others and their county? that it is worse for the world as a whole and my county to force my way into other nations to overthrow their governments and prop up a puppet government more corrupt than the prior that will either fall when we leave or we will have to keep going back to "protect" our allies.... from their own population?

Yeah, I guess I just don't agree with making one nation suffer for the good of another. Why would you want that, when you could want whats best for the world though? I'm not saying that its as realistic a target to achieve atall, but surely thats the best possible outcome you could ask for?