[QUOTE="Kryptok"][QUOTE="Buddha_basic"]

Youre assuming you DONT have free will...? But you do. You dont have to do ANYthing if you dont want. You could sit and starve to death if you so choose.

And also, we argue and fight about things that we CHOOSE are important to us and our lives. Thats hardly wrong. Its also because we all are born with Ego's.

Buddha_basic

I agree that we have free will to do nothing, but we can't do EVERYthing that we may WANT to do.

And I wasnt born knowing my name, or what race I was, what was good or bad, what social class i was or who the president is or anything. I learned all of those things from other people.

All I am trying to say is that maybe it is time we start learning things on our own, using information that we know, and choosing the path that our own hearts lead us on, and not someone elses.

And i think free will is defined a little too literally. By default life means nothing, because at the end of it you cease to live. The only way it gains meaning, is when we give it meaning, and define certain things to mean something to us. So i think its not free will to, for example, flap your arms adn be able to fly. Its free will to interpret/define what your life means to you.

thank you for this, that is beautifully said. you are right, i guess. but then maybe im not doing this right? im only trying to get people to think, and then try to help the world stop hating so much, you know? what might you think would be a better solution to this? i realize life doesnt have meaning i guess, because if we wanted to we could stop procreating and just cease to exist all together, but im sure that wont happen anytime soon...

rather, how would you, if you wanted to, change the world 'for the better' using the generalisation of ending starvation, fixing the corruptness of money and government, and making life more enjoyable such as having a borderless world, and things like that?

Youre assuming you DONT have free will...? But you do. You dont have to do ANYthing if you dont want. You could sit and starve to death if you so choose.

And also, we argue and fight about things that we CHOOSE are important to us and our lives. Thats hardly wrong. Its also because we all are born with Ego's.

Buddha_basic

I agree that we have free will to do nothing, but we can't do EVERYthing that we may WANT to do.

And I wasnt born knowing my name, or what race I was, what was good or bad, what social class i was or who the president is or anything. I learned all of those things from other people.

All I am trying to say is that maybe it is time we start learning things on our own, using information that we know, and choosing the path that our own hearts lead us on, and not someone elses.

Regardless of whether you believe in any type of religion, any type of government, or anything similar to those things, I believe that all of the negative messages towards us from people who feel superior to everyone else separates us from the natural world and ourselves.
Shouldn't we be looking at our common qualities everyday, especially in hard times? Don't we need to embrace one another, and not be so quick to judge or put people in categories?

We are all the same; meaning we all are born, we live our lives, and then we die. Why complicate life with trivial things such as who has more money, who is smarter, or who is more pretty. Why not worry about the things in life that actually matter day after day such as enjoying the limited amount of time that we actually have here on Earth, and maybe trying to make life enjoyable for others as well by accepting disagreements, embracing life for today and not tomorrow, and spreading love and happiness throughout the world.


Maybe people should try to remember that almost anything we've ever learned in school, or from our parents or from anyone besides ourselves was someone elses way of thinking and someone elses way of logic. Perhaps we should be more worried about what potential things we as humans have? Things that we call "natural" are actually the way we act as well, such as how animals act/react towards each other, towards environmental changes, and towards other species. We have to remember that we are all part of the same natural world and that we, just like "the animals" have to eat, sleep, and procreate. Those are the only needs of survival for humans or any other species.


However, it might be our intellect that makes us conceited enough to think that we have a higher meaning in life, or that we are separate from nature or above other species. We need to realize that regardless of how you live your life, who you are, or what age,race or sex you are, your time here is limited. Once you understand, and accept the fact that one day you are going to die, and that life will go on afterwards; everything changes. So why worry about materialistic things such as money, cars, houses, clothes...
The only thing these do is cloud our vision of what really matters, and that is Love & Happiness.


So I guess what I'm trying to say is forget about what everyone else thinks, because what you think is the only thing that truly matters to you. Life is always what YOU make it, no one else...until something such as another person steps into your life and says that you are wrong and they are right. This is exactly what people do to each other: We argue and fight about the most ignorant things imaginable just to persuade others to think like one another or submit to their will. These are things that EVERYONE does to each other, because that is how we have been raised to think and act like. What if we were raised to love everyone, and talk to and respect everyone and what they have to say? Most people say that is a Utopia and that it can never happen. But it is those people who want it more than anything, and are afraid of failing an attempt to make it happen. I am unafraid, and I will continue to write and spread my message of Free Will wherever I go. Just remember to think... because it is the last thing the people who are controlling our lives want us to do.


Even this message is not absent of my bias because these are my beliefs... But I guess what everything all comes down to is WHAT DO YOU WANT OUT OF LIFE? Whatever it may be, then follow it. I am sure that no matter what your agenda will be, it will most likely be to make yourself happy along the way, which is as it should be.

Also consider that other people may not have the same idea, and respect their decision as well, and let our actions only affect other beings or the world in a way that doesn't interfere with their free will and personal agenda.

[QUOTE="Kryptok"] (Big text post.) SpaceMoose

Well, SpaceMoose, what you did is exactly what I was talking about in my post. This is my "real account" i just joined recently while doing research about this topic and searching for other peoples' ideas and thoughts on these subjects portrayed in Zeitgeist. And even as you said, you didn't read my post obviously, because i took no side in Zeitgeist or TC at all. I am open-minded and my head is 'not up my ass' I guess it is amybe you who dwells in your anal orifice if you make a quick tempered post about someone elses post and didn't even fully read it and state that you didn't...

As far as the font size I could barely read the letters that I was typing, so I had to increase the size. I tried this one and it is still blurry but I tried to change it just for you.

I only have one thing to say i guess about this whole thing:

Regardless of whether you believe in any type of religion, any type of government, or any type of ideas, the message i get from Zeitgeist that goes along with my own personal beliefs, is that we are all the same; Meaning we all are born, we live our lives, and then we die. Why complicate life with trivial things such as who has more money, who is smarter, or who is more pretty. Why not worry about the things in life that actually matter day after day such as enjoying the limited amount of time that we actually have here on Earth, and maybe trying to make life enjoyable for others as well by accepting disagreements, embracing life for today and not tomorrow, and spreading love and happiness throughout the world.

Maybe people should try to remember that almost anything we've ever learned in school, or from our parents or from anyone besides ourselves was someone else's way of thinking and someone else's way of logic. Perhaps we should be more worried about what potential things we as humans have? Things that we call "natural" are actually the way we act as well, such as how animals act/react towards each other, towards environmental changes, and towards other species. We have to remember that we are all part of the same world, and that we, just like "the animals" have to eat, sleep, and procreate. Those are the only needs of survival for humans or any other species. However, it might be our intellect that makes us conceited enough to think that we have a higher meaning in life, or that we are separate from nature. Do we need things like computers, telephones, or television to survive? The answer is simply: "No". Things like vehicles, computers, telephones, TV, video games, MP3 players, etc. are all just simple solutions to modern living.

So I guess what I'm trying to say, is that we do not need to listen to other people for advice, or listen to their ideas. We simply choose to out of our own free will to do so. Life is always what you make it, no one else...until something such as another person steps into your life and says that you are wrong and they are right. This is exactly what people do to each other: We argue and fight about the most ignorant things imaginable just to persuade others to think like one another or submit to their will. Even this message is not absent of this because these are my beliefs... but I guess what everything all comes down to is WHAT DO YOU WANT OUT OF LIFE? Whatever it may be, then follow it. I am sure that no matter what your agenda will be, it will most likely be to make yourself happy along the way, which is as it should be. But maybe we should also consider that other people may not have the same idea, and respect their decision as well, and let our actions only affect other beings or the world in a way that doesn't interfere with someone else's free will and goal in life.