[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] well you were complaining about galaxy 2 for a reason... if only i could remember :xsonic_spark
That they learned from Galaxy 1 and made 2 a completely stripped down game to attract the casual
Galaxy 2 is undoubtedly the better game. Although they streamlined the hub to a portable ship, the hub in the original Mario Galaxy was terrible. So it wasn't stripped down, it was streamlined. Galaxy 2 is a better game period.
You're playing with the word's "core" and "casual" too much. And the number of these threads are getting ridiculous.
Listen, the core, also referred to as the "hardcore" is the audience on any gaming system that supports games that are inherently more complex in both gameplay, control and difficulty. Of course, some hardcore games will walk the line between being both hardcore and casual - Mario Galaxy, Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto - are examples.
The casual audience is the audience who picks up a console and the games for it for other reasons. In the case of the Wii, motion controls, simple interfaces, and no real depth are the games the casuals pick up - Sports Active, Wii Play, Just Dance.
Arguably you can say casual games do have some "depth" in terms of the options and possible amount of hours that can be poured into them. That said, I mean depth in terms of game length, online components, single player campaigns, etc.
Definitely, the casual audience is helping the Wii succeed beyond what we all anticipated because they pick up not only quality "casual" titles, but also the shovelware as well. Which is fine. Shovelware always ends up on the most popular system.
The hardcore audience has done an adequate job picking up the hardcore titles.
The issues with the Wii has been from day 1 has been 3-fold. First, the lack of power under the hood has kept third parties from placing multiplatform titles on the console. Second, the lackluster online experience. Third, major developers trying to use the Wii as a cash cow.
The casuals have definitely helped the Wii sell, just like the casuals helped the PS2, the PSone, the Genesis, SNES, NES, Gameboy etc. All the greatest selling systems have been to the "next level" by the push the casuals give them.
Understand this, the hardcore Wii audience, the faithful Nintendo fans that will buy a Nintendo console just to play Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pokemon, will do it. No matter what.
It is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS to assume the casuals will support the next Nintendo console. Every generation has it's challenges, and different "winners" based on a variety of factors and what the major players have developed.
The only people to rely on are the hardcore.
You can continue to make these non-sensical threads using word plays and misguided definitions that we all have adopted as being universal. You can try to bash Nintendo for ignoring their hardcore fanbase.
But let me tell you like I've been telling people all over the place. The Wii has provided arguably the best iteration of all first party titles, ever. And even if you disagree, we received:
3 Pure Mario titles, 2 3D platformers, 1 2D platformer
2 Pure Metroids
Smash Bros
2 Zeldas
Mario Kart
Punchout was revived
Donkey Kong was revived.
All these games were critically acclaimed and sold very well. So I think Nintendo, in terms of First Party delivery did a great job. And don't start with me about how these games didn't sell well. If they broke a million, they sold well. Period.
Rant over.
Very well put.
also, inb4jaysoncomesbackcompletelydisagreeingwithahalfassedresponseashealwaysdoes
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