@Hiddai said:

@KC_Hokie said:

I don't think 'Palestine' will exist in 50 years. Maybe Gaza, but sure looks like the West Bank is being colonized by Israel. Guess the Palestinians feel pretty stupid they didn't accept the original UN deal and instead declared war.

I think the 'Present' picture is a little bit confusing because there are free areas that still belong to the palestinians and it is shown as white here so it's pretty much incorrect.

Yes, accept a "peace plan" that essentially relinquished half of their country to a minority of fucking illegal immigrants. That seems very logical to me! I guess others should follow their example if they want a country of their own; "immigrate" en masse to whatever place you want, treat the natives like sub-humans, then usurp their land to establish another country and subsequently coerce the inhabitants off of their ancestral homeland.

The etymology of the ethnonym "Palestinian" is completely irrelevant. The fact that you place so much emphasis on this moot point is laughable frankly. You're also an antagonistic bigot who assumes that he's Muslim (20% of Palestinians are Christian). Genetics and Anthropology (both scientific fields, as opposed to your superfluous sophistry that you cite) prove that the vast majority of Palestinians are the indigenous inhabitants of the southern Levant. They, along with many nationalities, identify as Arab because of the historical process of Arabization, where many Middle Eastern ethnic groups adopted the Arabic language and subsequently consider themselves Arab. Genetically speaking, "Arabs" are incredibly diverse (varying from region to region, like the Levant, Egypt, North West Africa, etc). Doesn't change the fact that Palestinians are genetically indigenous to the land they call Palestine.

Lying about the origins? lol. Jews were an originally Levantine people, but most are now extensively admixed with foreign elements, with some Jews having no genetic affinity to the Levant at all. I'm not saying you don't necessarily belong in the Middle East (who am I to tell you how to identify), but it's hilarious when extremely ignorant individuals assume that all Jews are the same genetically and are indigenous to the Southern Levant, subsequently claiming that Palestinians are Arab immigrants. Goes to show how skewed reality is.

I thought Iberian Jews were considered Sephardim. Mizrahi Jews include Yemenis, Iraqis, Iranians, and North Africans, correct?

Due to Neolithic admixture from millennia ago in the farming revolution that started in the Middle East

You think you're refuting my argument by making baseless claims, but (sorry to say) you don't know what you're talking about. Look at this image:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

Take a good look at where Ashk. Jews plot on this map (with European ethnic groups). Also, yes, there is a degree on phenotypic overlap between Levantine populations and SOME Jewish ethnic groups (mainly Sephardim). I've been mistaken as Jewish countless time in the United States; That still doesn't change the debate though.

The Levant is Mediterranean, that's why Levantines have a decent amount of Med. component. Greeks are NOT a Middle Eastern people. They are a genetically European peoples who are situated in Europe. Despite common misconceptions on their phenotype, the vast majority of Greeks look distinctly European. There is some degree of overlap between Levantines and Greeks, but it's insubstantial.

Dude, that's a scientific blog...It's a geneticist who elaborates on the findings, not some random individual. That's irrelevant though. You didn't even look at the cluster map, right? That's all that's needed to prove my point. This is all very common knowledge for competent anthropologists/geneticists.

I never said that the Med. component is an exclusively European component. I said it peaked in South European populations. What does this mean? It means that Ashkenazi Jews' high Med. Component (when compared to other Levantine populations) infers more European admixture than one would initially assume.

@Darkman2007

: That's how I know you're not very knowledgeable on the subject. You can't extrapolate what the admixture results prove, and Majormayor's article is a perfect example of a sophistry/sophomoric genetic "study". Y chromosome/DNA testing and markers prove little in regards to where a population clusters. Here's an actual scientific elaboration on Ashkenazi Jews and their admixture:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/01/genetic-map-of-west-eurasians.html

In this link, you'll find a genetic map that shows where each group clusters as well as an elaboration on the document spread sheet