The whole ROTR cast is simply the most atrocious lot of fanboys I've ever seen in one room at a time. Ben Silverman and Scott Jones are two of the most self important pretentious "reviewers" I've come across, Scott being the worst.

He's simply not happy with his life and his job and it comes across through his snide remarks, his lack ofknowledge (servers going down doesn't delete your progress on ANY MMO Scott), lack of skills ('if I die it's not my fault but the game's...re.LBP2), poor taste (Dead Rising 2 = 10/10 but Dead Space 2 = 7.5/10)...and overall archaic irrelevant outlook ('we live in a golden age of gaming but the PS3 is still just a BluRay player to me in 2010...a 6/10 year').

Horrible, I miss Tommy. Met him last year on Videogames Live. Victor needs to stop casting his show with his lame friends and hire some people that are professionals. Wearing a suit doesn't make you professional. Adam Sessler has more credibility than the entire ROTR cast combined. ROTR needs to go away.

Odst was an expansion Bungie didnt want to charge 60 they said so. So compare the 93 of halo 3 not its expansion. KZ2 is a great game lems can not deny it. Halo is a great game cows can not deny it.gammon56

Doesn't matter, the guy said Halo. It's a Halo FPS, full campaign, Halo 3 engine under the hood, full retail price at launch ($59.99 with a $99.99 Collector's pack).The box doesn't have an asterisk beside it saying "but..but..but". L4D2 was basically an expansion, but still scored higher. No excuses.

I agree with you though in that both franchises deliver what they deliver.

Quick edit, by year I meant fiscal for COD, with COD: WAW coming out only a couple months before KZ2.

Halo 3 ODST was the same 'calender' year as KZ. You know what I mean ;)

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Killzone 2 was a good game, but not better than others out there. This will only appeal to Killzone fans though. Bigger name games coming out are Halo Reach, Call of Duty Black Ops.

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Being AAA, I am sure it was as good as better than MANY shooters out there,if not as good as some other blockbuster titles.

That may be true, but its missing that special something which brings tier 2 games like Killzone 2 to tier 1 games like COD, and Halo 3, and Gears.

Dude, you're just pulling generalisations out of thin air without any basis in fact.

WTF is "tier 1 and tier 2"to you? Someone else already called shenanigans on your sales/quality argument, but fact is KZ2 remains the best selling FPS on PS3 behind RFOM.

You call Gears of War tier 1 without stating your reasons...even though Gears of War 2's online HAS BEEN BROKEN SINCE DAY ONE! CLiffy B even SAID SO recently, apologising for the failure. Google it. KZ2 had a deeponline with high player counts, dedicated servers and matchmaking that actually WORKED...yet you claim it's not tier 1? Even with a Metacritic over 90?

Speaking of Metacritic, let's go there. You brought up Call of Duty as a better tier 1 game. KZ2 came out the same year as Call of Duty: World at War. COD: WAW had a Meta score of 84...EIGHTY FOUR...while KZ2 has a Meta' that same year of 91.

91 > 84. So don't sayKZ wasn't top tier in 2009 when it even bested COD.

You brought up Halo as well. Halo 3 ODST, came out the same year as KZ2 as well. Another tier 1 franchise in your opinion that had a Meta' score of...get this...83. EIGHTY THREE. That's even lower than the aforementioned COD game.

91 > 83.

So in 2009, KZ2 critically bested both COD and Halo, had an online that actually worked, and became one of the best selling consoleFPS's to date. It's cool if you don't like it, but saying it's tier 2 because it wasn't "special foryou", well yeah, that's gonna get you some disagrees.