[QUOTE="PacoL250"][QUOTE="wok7"]

It sums up what PC is best at, non-game applications like CAD : )

wok7

You sir, don't get it. You don't use that for gaming, period. You use those for graphic design, CAD, heck possibly even game design.

You darn well know that's not what the FireGL is meant for, yet you post it anyway. You're in denial that you're failing the arguement aren't you?

What made you think that I posted it for gaming?

Well the thread is talking about gaming so clearly you missed the memo.

If you're simply showing that the best of the best out there costs so much, then yes we all agree. Heck, the nVIDIA Quadro and AMD/ATI FireGL cards simply destroy everything out there on hardware-only-based comparision and that includes consoles.

However, since gaming is what the argument is about, posting the FireGL makes little sense. Yes I know why you posted it, but the logic behind it is flawed simply because you don't use card for anything besides CAD, 3D graphic design, game development, etc.

You're missing the market in which that card is used for. The most expensive card (nVIDIA's 9800GX2) shouldn't be more $550 when it comes out; however at this point we are all speculating at this point about that card. Right now, arguably the best card on the market is the HD3870 X2 (and many times, it sure rivals the 8800 Ultra and it's cheaper to boot) which costs around $450.

That's far less than the $600+ you're talking about.

Besides, PCs aren't simply used just for gaming and we all know that anyway.

Personally, this arguement is useless as I own/have played on just about every console that's been out since I was born and in the end, consoles set me back more in the wallet than a PC.

Simply put, if I want higher quality components with my consoles, I'm forced to buy accessories made by the console manufacturer and they cost far more than 3rd party components. Even if you look for deals, they still do. Whereas in the PC market, because there are so many manufacturers, parts are far cheaper.

Let's put it this way: PC is best at everything whereas consoles specialize in gaming/movies more than anything else. It's hard to say one is better than the other.

It sums up what PC is best at, non-game applications like CAD : )

wok7

You sir, don't get it. You don't use that for gaming, period. You use those for graphic design, CAD, heck possibly even game design.

You darn well know that's not what the FireGL is meant for, yet you post it anyway. You're in denial that you're failing the arguement aren't you?

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]The PS3 is my first console. I personally prefer my PC as my #1 machine, but am inlove withmy PS3, looking at a Wii. 360 doesnt interest me until/if Killer Instinct gets made. I thought we were here to all play games. The PC and all consoles should all be treated equal. Theyre all gaming platforms.

People who bash the PC, well are jealous that they dont have a high end PC. Cause trust me, if you had one, I guarantee you would be backing it up too. PC Gamers I have fuond over my years of being on here, usually arent the ones to start this console vs PC war. Its usually the console people. The main reason is, PC gamers love their PCs and most of the could careless about consoles.

You can build a great computer for cheap, especially if you can overclock. THERES A PRICE WAR GOING ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not knocking consoles, love them too, but lets be serious here, theyre all gaming platforms. If you had a nice PC, you wouldnt be bashing it. Theyres way more exclusives on a PC, then a console. You just have to do some research. Yes consoles help sales a lot. Im glad thats there, cause now we push the envelope for gaming technology,.

My pc

Big_Black_Eyes

My pc, Dell E520

Core2duo 2 ghz

2gb ddr2 667 ram

Hd 3870 512 Mb

250 gb 7200 rpm Hd

22" Dell monitor

You have a darn good PC (well the slower speed of the RAM hinders a bit, but not too much).

However, if you put that together yourself, it would have cost less, that's for sure.

Still, you can run a lot of things well on it.

[QUOTE="Mizarus"][QUOTE="Big_Black_Eyes"]

With the money of a high-end pc I can buy all 3 consoles.

Big_Black_Eyes

can you also afford full acessories and games for 3 diferent systems for the same price as a high end pc? i think not

Do you know how much will 9800GTX cost? $700!

Fail.

That would be close to the highest GeForce 9-Series card, the 9800GX2. Even then, it should be more around $550-$600.

The 9800GTX should be around $450.

Again, this argument and logic fails. Even if the GPU costs the most, you can get a very good dual-core CPU for cheap and then just think about the accessories. $30 for a controller? How about the average price of a PC game being $30-40 instead.

Heck if you want a controller on a PC, you can get the Xbox 360 controller and then you're all set.

Actually, all 3 current consoles + high end PC = Win. :D

Oh and actually an 8800GT is a mid-to-high end card; performance/enthusiast market. Same would go for the HD3870. Whereas the HD3870 X2 and the eventual 9800GX2 are high-end cards tailored towards the enthusiast market only.

[QUOTE="Shegevara"]

I'd say 2900XT == 8800GTS 640

Thinker_145

Then if that's the case, why ever bring up this argument. Just say that and don't ever mention that again.

I know you didn't bring up the argument this time, but it seems you're the most notorious in doing so.

And let's not even get started on the whole CRT VS. LCD debate. I own both there are pros and cons to both.

So boys and girls what have learned today?

2900XT == 8800GTS 640MB and CRT == LCD where everything is in the eye of the beholder. Nothing right now is really so much better than the other (when comparing similarly marketed products) that it's even worth debating about.

Mods, please lock this thread? Please? PCHW is turning more and more into a mini System Wars and that's why I've stopped even reading stuff here let alone posting here.

[QUOTE="wok7"]

[QUOTE="tionmedon"]pc`s are part of sw,we r gamers 2strudel420

Sorry but PC Games no longer spur any innovation nor competition.

On top of that they can't even do HD.

Wow you're both wrong there...

I don't think you understand exactly what HD really is. It's all about resolution and clearly you don't seem to get that.

PC games and competition? Let's see...how about the sheer number of FPSes, good and bad, that try to beat each other and don't even get me started about the strategy genre. If there isn't any competition in that genre in regards to PC gaming, then apparently my entire life has been a dream.

However, why I'm posting in System Wars, I'll never know...I should stop (and so should everybody else) as it's just a wormhole that just sucks the intelligence out of everybody.

Weird...never heard of that.

Oh well, OEM parts can be weird at times...like the 3.4GHz speed-binned P4 that actually runs only at 3.2GHz. Dell Insprion 4700s and a few others had those.

Is there a big difference between these two cards? Some people say the GT is the hottest thing and others say the GTS is.hotmustard

I assume you're talking about the newer GTS?

I'd go for the GTS if you have the budget for it as it is faster and such. However, pricewise, it's a matter of where you do get the cards. If you do your shopping right, you can get a GTS close to the price, if not at the price, of the highest priced GT (which would be say around $300-$330).

Depends on your gaming habits as well.

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]The TP on the stock sink that comes with core 2's runs 5c hotter than AS5 with the same exact heatsink. Totally worth it even if you dont OC at all. chandlerr_360

5C worth paying $6.00 plus $7.00 S&H? Don't think so. Thanks for the help guys, made my life easier.

I'd say it's more than 5C and not to mention the fact that there's better stuff than AS5 out there now.

It shouldn't cost you $7.00 for S&H extra if you're buying a CPU as well. Not to mention an aftermarket CPU is always the way to go.

The cooler the system is, the more stable and longer it will operate. That's worth the supposed $6.00 plus S&H.

you you like gaming and have to money
get 2x160 GB raptors in RAID
i have 2x160GB raptors in RAID and a extra 500GB HDD just to store things liek music and stuff

is youinstall stuff on to teh raptors they load games faster adn boot Windows faster

how long does it take you to boot windows??? (im talking to everyone)

Lehman

You mean you have 2x150 GB Raptors...might want to correct that. ;) :)