Now who's fabricating an outright lie? Okay, let's put it this way:
I live in a town that has no police
Because I live in the US, federal law is still present
I kill my neighbor
Now, because I don't get arrested, the felony becomes invalid due to nobody being there to enforce it
Just because the originators of the copyright cannot take the site to court because the originators are no longer around, does NOT nullify the copyright.
kieranb2000
The copyright is only valid if it is enforced. If the owner(s) willingly neglect taking civil action against those who violate it, they renege their rights. Can you prove that the owners of those games know about that site and have explicitly stated they aren't pressing any charges? Because the law does NOT assume that people are informed about such things.
[QUOTE="Pintbitter"]If copyright is not enforced, then it becomes invalid. This is basic, BASIC corporate law.Ein-7919
Now who's fabricating an outright lie? Okay, let's put it this way:
I live in a town that has no police
Because I live in the US, federal law is still present
I kill my neighbor
Now, because I don't get arrested, the felony becomes invalid due to nobody being there to enforce it
Just because the originators of the copyright cannot take the site to court because the originators are no longer around, does NOT nullify the copyright.
The copyright is only valid if it is enforced. If the owner(s) willingly neglect taking civil action against those who violate it, they renege their rights.
[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="Pintbitter"] >Sorry to say this, but copyright doesn't expire with the company that filed it. Shoot, in most cases, copyrights persist 50-75 years AFTER the creator of the copyright dies. If copyright is not enforced, then it becomes invalid. This is basic, BASIC corporate law. That is NOT how the law works in any case!! Thats like saying "If someone murders someone, but nobody notices, then it is legal" Your opinion is not fact. Please stop inventing nonsense.
[QUOTE="Pintbitter"]That wasn't paraphrasing, that was fabricating an outright lie, just like your previous posts. You're inventing nonsense with absolutely no facts whatsoever.Ein-7919
Wow...reading comprehension ftl...
Read back to my post and the edit that I made. It's actually pretty plain and clear what the FAQ is saying.
Using ad hominem arguments demonstrates that you're not debating in good faith. The FAQ does not say that their website is illegal. Simple.
How about the numerous games on the website that were developed by companies that no longer exist? Ein-7919
Sorry to say this, but copyright doesn't expire with the company that filed it. Shoot, in most cases, copyrights persist 50-75 years AFTER the creator of the copyright dies.
EDIT -
I'm looking for the specific quote "This isn't legal, but the law tends to ignore it." Your screenshot doesn't, from what I have seen, contain it. Pintbitter
It's not phrased in that order or in those particular words. They clearly state that distributing copyrighted software is illegal. They also state that the companies that produced the software are not around, and thus the distribution doesn't financially affect anybody...which is why most 'abandonware' sites do not get penalized for the distribution. It's all right there in the FAQ.
>Sorry to say this, but copyright doesn't expire with the company that filed it. Shoot, in most cases, copyrights persist 50-75 years AFTER the creator of the copyright dies. If copyright is not enforced, then it becomes invalid. This is basic, BASIC corporate law.
[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="Pintbitter"][QUOTE="kieranb2000"] I edited my post with a screenshot :P The thing is, Copyright HASN'T lapsed for those games. I'm looking for the specific quote "This isn't legal, but the law tends to ignore it." Your screenshot doesn't, from what I have seen, contain it. That was paraphrasing, those were two quotes from different lines, sorry for confusing you :S That wasn't paraphrasing, that was fabricating an outright lie, just like your previous posts. You're inventing nonsense with absolutely no facts whatsoever.
[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="Pintbitter"][QUOTE="kieranb2000"] That was from the FAQ question "Is Abandonware legal" so yes, it is evidence. It quite clearly says there "This isn't legal, but the law tends to ignore it." Stop trying to legitimise piracy. Where did they write "This isn't legal, but the law tends to ignore it."? They were referring to copyrights that are current, not those that have lapsed. I edited my post with a screenshot :P The thing is, Copyright HASN'T lapsed for those games. I'm looking for the specific quote "This isn't legal, but the law tends to ignore it." Your screenshot doesn't, from what I have seen, contain it.
Techinically its illegal, copyright lasts 75 years before it becomes public domain but since abandonware hosts old games that are no longer sold/supported (and devs most probably gone bankcrupt a long time ago) its ignored by the law, besides they aren't getting sued so its probably not illegal as some people think.
Gamerz1569
How about the numerous games on the website that were developed by companies that no longer exist?
[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="Pintbitter"][QUOTE="kieranb2000"] It's a website which provides lots of games which it owns none of the rights to for download! That is called piracy, and is illegal. Prove that it IS legal? Hell, the site even ADMITS to being illegal! I quote, from the FAQ "Since the software is no longer sold or supported, the copyright holders are not directly harmed in any way. This is why abandonware sites are, for the most part, ignored by the law. The distribution of copyrighted software however is, and will allways be, illegal!" That's far from admitting that the website is illegal. It does not state in black in white anywhere on the website that they contravene copyright laws. They're referring to something completely different. Unless you can prove that they are EXPLICITLY breaking copyright laws, you've made an outlandish statement with no evidence to back it up other than a quote taken completely out of context with no relation to the legality of their website. That was from the FAQ question "Is Abandonware legal" so yes, it is evidence. It quite clearly says there "This isn't legal, but the law tends to ignore it." Stop trying to legitimise piracy. Where did they write "This isn't legal, but the law tends to ignore it."? They were referring to copyrights that are current, not those that have lapsed.
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