[QUOTE="Pud_Whacker"]

I do agree Jerry Rice is the most gifted and best WR of alltime.

But one thing has to be said. Especialy for you youngins out there.

Art Monk was an all time great not just for what he did on the field but he puts the meaning into HALL OF FAMER this guy was not only one of the greatest WR he is one of the GREATEST human being to walk this earth and is a TRUE NFL player. Same can be said about another alltime CB maybe the best CB ever DARREL GREEN. Those 2 guys are the true meaning of NFL HALL OF FAME.

With that said yes you have others that are great Marvin Harrison is a great WR and great person also.

but lets look at someone like TO this guy yes has good stats. But is clearly not the meaning of hall of famer. He is a CLOWN.

So if we want to take the TRUE meaning of what it means to be an NFL all time hall of famer. Without question Art Monk has to be listed in every conversation PERIOD. And like I said if we talk CB I'd take Darrel Green over Deion Sanders in his prime anyday. Darrel Green was the MAN PERIOD for all the same reason as Art Monk.

If Randy Moss can keep his act clean a few more years then he is a hall of famer.

My top 5 for pure skill.

Jerry Rice

Marvin Harrison

Art Monk

Steve Largent

Chris Carter

Randy Moss and TO make the top 10 but TO really should not even get into the hall of fame. He is a discrace to the meaning of a true NFL great.

StealthySniper1

Beleive me I want to put Moss in there. I was a huge Moss fan coming out of college from Marshall. It's just he has had a few on field things and off that has tarnished him. I agree he has been on the strait and narrow for a few seasons now. That's why I said just give me a few more good seasons of stats and good behavior and I'll put him up there for sure.

I just have to take a player as a whole and consider therm as a person and what they do for kids the community and the world and there stats all have to be considered.

And for these exact reasons is why I rate Monk so high. Even though Monk had great stats he was just a great person team player the WHOLE NINE YARDS. Like I said if you had to pick 2 players from an NFL team for all time people and stats you would have to take ART MONK and DARREL GREEN hands down no question.

Don't ask for my PSN ID. My "cousin's best friend" acquired a copy from his girlfriend, who is an intern at some gaming magazine she wouldn't reveal to me, probably because she didn't want to lose her job. My cousin (second cousin, actually) says she works for EGM, but I think he only said that because I happened to be reading EGM at the time he brought the whole thing up and I think he just wants to cover her butt. Yes, I beat the game.

Yes, the graphics are stellar. The best-looking game I have ever played until now is Crysis Warhead, and the games are essentially of the same scale. Killzone 2 is more visually impressive, thanks to the terrific motion blur and rediculously good animation. Taking a guy out at the knees is immensely satisfying. The explosions look like crap compared to Warhead, they're just big puffs of red smoke if you ask me, but aside from that, the game looks incredible, just not as good as Crysis (original) because it just isn't that big. Repetitive. Think Black. The game hardly changes throughout. The so-called bosses are just bulkier versions of the typical soldier. Pacing is like Black in that you shoot, shoot, shoot Helghast soldier after Helghast soldier and get the occassional (lame) turret or vehicular objective. The good thing is, shooting these dumb (yes, dumb) soldiers like fish in a barrel for hours on end is great fun, and the very typical weapon selection keeps it interesting. Snipe, mow down or blast them all straight to hell. I love it, but I won't do it more than once, maybe twice (the campaign, that is).The audio is good. It's no Dead Space, no Crysis, and definitely no Bioshock, but it's strong, right up there with Gears. The soundtrack is industrial/classical/metal, something you'd expect to hear in a new Twisted Metal game and it really suits the generic "hardcore" feel of the game.Buggy. Not nearly as bad as in Killzone 1, but the AI is very bug-prone, the game crashed on me twice, and audio can cut out from time to time, especially during autosaves or when you complete an objective. It's completely tolerable if you can stand to play Oblivion or Far Cry 2.If you aren't expecting a good story, you're in luck. I think Gears 1 fans will be right at home. Gratuitous swearing, melodramatic Saving Private Ryan esque twists, and generic Nazi archetypes galore.Didn't play multiplayer, obviously, and I don't really care about multiplayer.Hope you don't mind sitting through load-screens. The game loads like mad. Starting a new phase of gameplay is like booting up GTA3. It doesn't load too often, thankfully, but the unprecedented poly count means you have to sit and wait for the game to seemingly count the polys like pennies in a 10,000 dollar bucket.

It's not a game that would make me purchase a PS3 all over again. 4/5, maybe 4.25/5 at best. It's a heck of a ride from start to finish, but it's short, monotonous, and I skipped almost every cutscene without regret. The multiplayer could make it a AAA game, but from what I experience, you just want to play it for the rediculously good visuals. It's definitely better than Halo 3, more polished than Gears 2, and overall definitely something I could see fans of either game hating on for some time. It's not the PS3's killer app, but it's a pretty freakin' good game when you just want to kill things. Movement is very "weighty", which is something I like, and the first-person-POV cover system will probably replace the 3rd-person cover system in games to come. Pick it up if you like the multiplayer beta, I suppose. Otherwise, it's a terrific rental.

di_sgt_barber

Yeah well my sisters boyfriends cousins first uncle's grandfathers first wife's sone best friend mothers sister boyfriend's sone uncle's father who is in jail got a copy from his son's mother's father's grandfathers wife's sons former footbal teammates brothers mother. Gave me a copy of

Duke Nukem Forver I've been playing it all weekend.:lol:

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Well Confloptations was a complete rip-off of graw 2 so of course it owns it.VideoGameRosado

If it wasn't for SOCOM there wouldn't be a GRAW. SOCOM is the true original 3rd person tactical console shooter. Don't talk of what you dont know.

LMAO DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rainbow Six on PC ring a bell? That came out long before Socom naked gun

[QUOTE="Pud_Whacker"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]In any case, comparing the two is pretty hard. One game has a single player, the other is simply multiplayer. While I enjoyed GRAW2's multiplayer when I first played it, it didn't stick as well. While now I'm starting to like SOCOM and regardless of it's bugs (which the next patch I believe will fix), and I think it'll be fun and plus, it was only $40, so big whoop.siLVURcross

My point is months after release the game is still a joke with bugs and lag. And it did not even have anything other then multiplayer.

My point is clearly STINK 6 is a low rent developer.

I beleive it has been Zipper that has been involved with Socom until STINK 6 took over for this latest Socom naked gun 4 1/2:lol:

In any case, comparing the two is pretty hard. One game has a single player, the other is simply multiplayer. While I enjoyed GRAW2's multiplayer when I first played it, it didn't stick as well. While now I'm starting to like SOCOM and regardless of it's bugs (which the next patch I believe will fix), and I think it'll be fun and plus, it was only $40, so big whoop.siLVURcross

My point is months after release the game is still a joke with bugs and lag. And it did not even have anything other then multiplayer.

My point is clearly STINK 6 is a low rent developer.

Nice you judge a full game vs. a beta. Nice.siLVURcross

WTF I said I downloaded the full game also?:?

I was in the Beta for this Slant Six discrace that has been made that has ruined the Socom name. And it was trash in the beta. So I waited. And downloaded the Socom the other day. Yeah it has been cleaned up a bit. But it is still buggy as all heck and still a bit laggy and still has lockups.

And I say again to myself a game like GRAW 2 that has better graphics more on screen and better everything coop and single player. And Slant Six can not even get a game to run barley decent.

Honeslty STINK 6 should be burned at the stake. They are low rent trailer park in regards to developers. Sony should really be ashamed they let these sorry developers ruin a good Sony franchise like this. Not like Sony can afford to have anymore negitive at this point.

WOW Slant Six you should all just go back to stocking shelfs somewhere your coding and Q&A are PATHETIC.

Well the list starts with Rice, continues with Harrison. Chris Carter, Andre Reed, Monk, Tim Brown(would be higher a bit but lot of drops that I remember)mrgab

I do agree Jerry Rice is the most gifted and best WR of alltime.

But one thing has to be said. Especialy for you youngins out there.

Art Monk was an all time great not just for what he did on the field but he puts the meaning into HALL OF FAMER this guy was not only one of the greatest WR he is one of the GREATEST human being to walk this earth and is a TRUE NFL player. Same can be said about another alltime CB maybe the best CB ever DARREL GREEN. Those 2 guys are the true meaning of NFL HALL OF FAME.

With that said yes you have others that are great Marvin Harrison is a great WR and great person also.

but lets look at someone like TO this guy yes has good stats. But is clearly not the meaning of hall of famer. He is a CLOWN.

So if we want to take the TRUE meaning of what it means to be an NFL all time hall of famer. Without question Art Monk has to be listed in every conversation PERIOD. And like I said if we talk CB I'd take Darrel Green over Deion Sanders in his prime anyday. Darrel Green was the MAN PERIOD for all the same reason as Art Monk.

If Randy Moss can keep his act clean a few more years then he is a hall of famer.

My top 5 for pure skill.

Jerry Rice

Marvin Harrison

Art Monk

Steve Largent

Chris Carter

Randy Moss and TO make the top 10 but TO really should not even get into the hall of fame. He is a discrace to the meaning of a true NFL great.