[QUOTE="Puiumami"][QUOTE="crude_darkness"]

[QUOTE="e-dub221"]Maybe it was Greek then. We're are talking about events that occured in the Middle East around Israel and Jerusalem. Besides, Jesus didn't write the bible. God used man to write it under the direction of his holy spirit.GFahim

Exactly. We Muslims believe that there was no connection between Jesus and the Bible (the current one). The very first Bible that was written, has been lost. What exists is only the various translations, and the many versions.

We believe that Jesus had been given a book by God, but it was corrupted by humans.

We believe Paul and friends didn't have a holy ghost take over them and make them write the Bible. The teachings of God existed before they wrote the books. They just manipulated what was written before them.

This is basically what we believe as Muslims.

Thank you, thank you for taking advantage of the situation for your own, I especially love (sarcasm) your ending sentence, "This is basically what we believe as Muslims." Islam, as much as you will hate to hear this because it raises uncertainity, is a false religion my friend. Now don't get me wrong, some of my good friends are muslim, but that does not mean that the religion, Islam is not false.

I would like for you to explain to me, if Paul and the fellow Apostles (not friends, my friend) did not have the Holy Ghost in them, how then do you explain when they healed the sick, crippled, and taught the people with great authority, so much so that they would have converts in the thousands. How do you explain the people hearing the Apostles speak in all the languages at the feast in Jerusalem when people all over the known world attended...? Perhaps in your own opinion, they "corrupted" it and made it up as they went along..

Maybe that is why they all were martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ, because they "made their own book" eh? And, what exactly did they manipulate?

I quote you, "They just manipulated what was written before them." Couldn't have been the Old Testament if you say that the Koran is the only true word of God to man. Looks like you fell into your own trap there.

Anyways, if you haven't already cursed me and praised allah, maybe you'd like to know that Islam is the force of the devil. How could your Mohammed be told by an angel that he would become a prophet, when only God can dictate who is a prophet before him! Perhaps you would like to explain what the world Allah means? Or perhaps you do not know... I shall tell you.

Allah comes from the world Illlah, meaning God of gods, more specifically the 360 gods of Arabia before the propagation of Islam, just when Mohammed came, his own grandparents still served in the pagan god temples. Also, I'd really like to know why you say the Koran is the only true and uncorrupted word of God, please do tell.

i will answer that. ok, u basically said it urself that the 'apostles' made the word up along. thats why there are so many contradictions as the original words from God were erased due to people (mathew, john, luke etc) changing it. that is why the Quran was revealed so that this message not only goes to the people in the middle east, but to the whole world. why else do u think Islam is not only the fastest growing religion in America, but in the world. its just that the media are afraid to accept it. 

yes, the angel Jibrael (Gabriel) did say that Prophet Muhammad is the messenger. but those word that were said by the angel were from Allah. Allah will notspeak directly to humans. thats why He created angels. read carefully before u say stupid remarks. if u read the Quran, u will find out that the Quran is the truth. take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK00xTkMGO0&mode=related&search=

more and more people are coming to Islam:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6PJgJdEzNM&mode=related&search=

Haha, I knew you would get defensive and mad! What, can't take any criticism? Before you call me stupid, my muslim friend, please learn to quote me correctly huh, at least that. I said,

"Perhaps in your own opinion, they "corrupted" it and made it up as they went along.."

but obviously you just took my words and fabricated what you wanted so you could call me stupid. And why won't your false god speak to humans? Because he is false of course! Anyways, before you call me stupid because I don't know what Angels are, messengers of God, maybe you'd like to also know, since obviously your so fascinated with angels, that angels can take human form, and angels that showed to Mohammed was not nescessarily Gabriel... if you didn't know demons are fallen angels. Otherwise, would God not have told Mohammed himself? But, no go right ahead and skip this part, just like you skipped my earlier part.

Then you have the indecency to mention that "Islam is the fastest growing religion, but the media is afraid"...What are you saying there, because to me, it sounds like a personal attack against Christians and trust me when I say, you don't intimidate me at all. Speaking of attacks, perhaps you'd like to share with Gamespot how exactly Muslims "convert" people in other parts of the world, since you did say "Islam is not only the fastest growing religion in America, but in the world"... let me fill you in.

It's through fear, personal attacks on property, and murdering and pillaging. Christians are martyred daily because of Muslims when they come in mobs and burn down Churches, and kill anyone who does not turn to Islam... must of forgot that piece of information.

And another thing, the only reason it's becoming the "biggest religion in the world" is because most Muslims are immigrating all over the world, just look at Europe and Canada.

I hope you don't report this, since I had a Muslim person do that to me before and I was suspended, but go right ahead if your conciousness is okay with it.

Also Edub, what did God say about not believing in his Son Jesus Christ? Do you know... look,

1 John 2:22-24

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist-he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

 24See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he promised us-even eternal life.

 Yet, Jehova's witnesses believe that Jesus was an angel or a god, and not the true God!

Puiumami,

i've agreed with most of  your facts and statements, and the scriptures you quoted. It's when you quoted about an earlier post referrencing God's name, Jehovah. You then made the statement that Jehovah's Witnesses are false and do not practice what Jesus and his disciples taught. How So? Everything you backed up from the bible is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. You will recognize jesus disciples by their fruits... What are those fruits?

e-dub221

I assume you are Jehova Witness from what I have read from your posts. For one thing, Jehova's go door to door, Jesus said not to do that! I'll give the scripture in a sec, but Jesus said:

1. "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
2. " Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
3. " A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
4. " Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

What are those fruits you ask, "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:15-20)? Those fruits are rightheousness, and upholding God's rules, and following the Bible!

Jehova witnesses go door to door correct? What did Jesus say? Jesus said,

Luke 10:7 

7Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

Therefore, your disobeying God by doing that.

[QUOTE="daytona_178"]Jesus is mean to be our King,,,, not our God! The bible says there is only one true God and its calls his name (when translated into English) Jehovah!e-dub221

Daytona_178 couldn't't have said it any better. God has a personal name, just like anyone reading this topic does. Unlike the majority of religions who preach without using the Bible, and promote their own beliefs, you can find God's name in the Bible for yourself at Psalms 83:18. It's there, along with the 5,000+ other occurrences in the Bible. Oh, and use the New World Translation when looking it up. It's there where you will also find numerous points of evidence that God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate from each other. And you will also find out the proper way to pray and to whom your prayers must be addressed to/thru in order for your prayers to be heard. It's hard to list all this because you actually have to BELIEVE THAT THE ENTIRE BIBLE IS GOD'S OWN WORD. Just believing and following what you like, or what fits your lifestyle and discarding what you don't isn't what Christianity is about, and sadly, that is what the majority of organized religion does. Nothing is based upon what is actually in the Bible. What's promoted is that if you SAY you love God, and as long as i put money in the collection plate and be a "good person", that is OK with God. Since when do WE, God's creation have any right or authority to tell God, the one who created us and everything, how we will live. If you love God, you will find out what He requires of each one of us, and then live your life accordingly. Love for God is shown in action, not words, just like any relationship be it parental, or spousal. The Bible is rarely used or referred to during worship. Which, as a Christian, that is our authority and a "guidebook" to how we ought to live our lives. If you are doing your best to follow what is in the Bible, that is what pleases God. But beware, with knowledge comes responsibility. Once you know what God REALLY requires from each one of us, now it is our responsibility to act accordingly. I'm not trying to post a long reply, but i could go on and on. If anyone wants actual proof from God's own Word the Bible about anything i said, i can and will. For those that refuse to believe in God, or even that he loves us, his existence is in the Bible and more than enough evidence of his love for us can found there, but it's all based on if you believe in the Bible. If you don't, than i or anyone else can't reason with you, because a Christians whole belief and lifestyle is based upon the Bible as a whole. Waiting for flamers..............................

Hey E-Dub, I greatly respect your for your posts in this thread, however, If I assume correctly, you believe that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are three seperate entities, do you not? You said, "[...]points of evidence that God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate from each other."

They cannot be seperate, and I do not know where in the Bible would make you believe so, if perhaps possible, please do show me where it says in the Bible something of this sort that would make you believe that idea. Do you remember:

Matthew 3:17

17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Matthew 17:5

5While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"

Mark 9:7

7Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!"

Luke 9:35

35A voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him."

2 Peter 1:17

17For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

There is also an instance, but I forgot where, in the New Testament, that speaks that Jesus, God and the Holy spirit are One. Why then would Jesus be allowed to plead for us to the Father on Judgement day?.

 Please answer this, If I am wrong, I'd like to know why, thanks!

edit, more instances in the Bible:

Hebrews 1

1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

That one is easy, the Catholic Church deified Jesus to solidify Christianity. Jesus should not be the one being worshiped and neither should the virgin Mary. thanatose

Matthew 17

 4Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters-one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah."

 5While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"

 6When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7But Jesus came and touched them. "Get up," he said. "Don't be afraid." 8When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.

"Why does no one love god?"

Very general statement. 

I think your addressing Atheists by this post.

But to answer your question. I think probably they became Atheists in the first place because they found too many illogical things in the Bible. What's even worse is that there are thousands of versions of the Bible out there that confuses the most religious Christian.

crude_darkness

Not really, atheists who previously believed (and I'm not sure why I'm using this word because if you believe you don't just stop all of a sudden, otherwise you never really did believe) and don't believe in God because they are confused by the Bible, and I have no idea why you decided to sneak in "illogical things in the Bible", are not really reading the Bible correctly. All the questions I ever had, have answeres in the Bible, so really it is weak willpower not the Bible that causes people to turn atheist. ALso, lets not forget, most of atheists are teenagers... you know what that means,  you wake up one day and think your going to change the world because of your "hormones". Anyways, I leave you with that.

[QUOTE="TheOT_King"][QUOTE="elmetfano"]

y=-2/5x + 4

so the slope is 2/5 (down two to the left 5??)

elmetfano

down two to the right 5... if you do to the left 5 you are making both the 2 and 5 negative thus making it positive (when you divide a negative by a negative you get a positive)... 

thanks i somehwat get it

ok this i dont get at all

SOLUTION SETS!

the solution set for the equation x2-5x=6 is...... *says to self what the.......

Not sure what those are... but

x1= -2, x2= 2

-2 * 2 - 5 * 2= 6

true 

[QUOTE="dommeus"]I don't love god because he doesn't exist. PSYCHE.FrozeN__54

It's never too late, if I may ask, what reason(s) do you have for this? Is it because you do not comply with the Church? Sure, neither do I, but believe in God for your ownself, not for others. Or perhaps is it a personal reason because you are uncertain of what to believe... if thats the case ask me and I will try to clarify as best as I can.

The fact of the matter is now a days every one says god is on their side, but shouldn't we all be on his/her/it side if they are truely benevolent?sSubZerOo

 Where in the Bible does it say that God is "truly benevolent". If that were the case, then you'd be right, however, God is all knowing, and God is just! Just because God loves you doesn't mean that you are not responsible for your sins. God is all loving and just! This it does say in the Bible. If you upkeep God's laws, and do not do what displeases him (such as divination (including: magic, invoking spirits, "enchanted items", speaking to the dead, sorcery, fortelling the future through w/e methods) thieving, lying, adultery, praying to false gods) Then God shall be on your side!