some say around 2008, others say ever since MGS4 was released, personally tho i thinkthe 360 was obsolete early in its development stage and right now its pretty muchDEAD (not anRROD joke lol).

my question is, what can we pinpoint 360s downfall to and to what time period.

[QUOTE="Rated_M_4_Minor"]anyone see the video where hiphopgamer straightens things out? it turns out the quote they took hiphopgamers words from was actually a different site which was not even EXACTLY what he said. check N4Gamers or something thats where i saw it. looks like bungie fibbing once againdeangallop

Yeah bungie hacked into hiphopgamers website and under his account posted a article blasting themselves for pretty much copying killzone 2, and then those devils at bungie doctored a video with exact same thing coming from a fake hiphopgamer impersonator.

Perhaps you should watch the video posted in the OP.