Someone with a GameCube avatar, calling a 7 year-old console ancient?

bionisam

I've never changed my avatar since the day I registered on GS as it is part of my identity here, but by all means attack the poster instead of addressing the actual question.

Hopefully it's not as buggy as hell as my PC San Andreas....

Ah, not so fast. A quote from Wikipedia;

"This formidable ship, the largest warship then commissioned, was intended primarily as a commerce raider, having a broad beam for stability in the rough seas of the North Atlantic and fuel stores as large as those of battleships intended for operations in the Pacific Ocean. "

She, and her sister the Tirpitz, were meant primarily for dutting off the lifelines of England that were the Atlantic convoys. In fact, if anything, they were both DISCOURAGED from engaging targets that could fight back.

Verge_6

Oh..my...word.

You just used Wikipedia in a debate. I flunk undergrads for citing Wikipedia :P

I suggest you try a more academic source, such as "The Discovery of the Bismarck" by Robert Ballard.

Where to start? Let's begin with the idea that a commerce raider isn't important. Look at the period we're dealing with here - 1940. If the Nazis would have succeeding in severing commerce lines that were supplying Britain (which was at that time teetering on the edge of destruction) then the War would have gone VERY differently. Although you said so in your post, there seems to be a definite lacking in understanding just how big a deal this would have been in the War.

Although her first mission was to raid commerce lines, does this mean that she could only undertake those kinds of missions? The Bismarck sank the Hood on May 24, 1941...a significant blow to the British (more symoblic than anything, really...The Hood was outgunned).

My response post to your Yamato post was not meant to be a necessariliy side by side comparisson of two ships based on who would win but more an overall tactical consideration. Yet that being said, the Bismarck was quite able to handle a few punches. I'm not sure where you got that it was discouraged from engaging targets that could fight back:

"And, unlike previous raiders, the Bismarck and Prinz Eugen had permission to attack escorted convoys. While the Bismarck engaged the escorts, Prinz Eugen would attack the merchant ships" (Ballard, 1990:33)

Now, as for a head to head with the Yamato, I am certainly not a naval man, nor a naval historian. I deal with Greeks. That being said, there are many considerations to think about. One could look purely at comparing armament manifolds (I suppose this would be a handy place for Wikipedia ;) ) but then would a lighter, more maneuverable ship have some kind of upper hand in the fight? It's certainly happened in the past.

Ok, I'm going back to writting my thesis before I start reading things I shouldn't be reading.

Bismark was a commerce raider. It is no match for the sheer might of the pride of the Imperial Japanese Navy. 8)

Verge_6

Hardly. It was the pride of the German Navy when it was launched in 1940.

As to Hoffgod's statement, no, the Bismark didn't accomplish much, but it was due to many twists of fate. Twists of fate that could have otherwise made the Battle of the Atlantic much more complicated.

Didn't you see My Big Fat Greek Wedding?

Windex cures all?

Jandurin

The funny thing is I do most of my work in Greece ;)

So...Windex is a no, then Rendarian?

FalconZero

Windex is ok for cleaning a screen...most likely. While I might be a touch hesitant to use Windex on some newer screens with all sorts of special coatings and stuff, it's pretty darn neutral and safe as a cleaner. And no, if Windex buggers up your screen I do NOT claim liability, heh.

That being said, Windex would do nothing for any kind of scratch.

I match your USS Oklahoma with a HMS Lusitania;

Verge_6

I see your Lusitania and raise you the HMHS Brittanic:

It's only a temporary slump.

However, I don't think any generational shift we've had lately matched the SNES/N64 jump.

If anything, they're learning the hardware (prolonged by the PS3 later deployment) and Square is spending time carefully crafting the next androgenous lead male roles in their games.

This would definitely take me a long time to think about. I've been playing games for way too long so I'd basically have to think hard about what I was playing back in years gone by like 1990-94...and earlier.