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#1 SW__Troll
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[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]They are only "invalid" when it comes to excuses they make, or when they say PC isn't a superior platform. When they genuinely have a preference for games that are only on consoles and handhelds, that is a very valid argument.

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Is it just as valid when they have little-to-no experience with PC games, and still claim they have a preference?

Because preference implies that you've tried multiple things, and like one more than the others.

It'd be a pretty big lie to state that everyone who has ever dismissed PC games did so after actually playing them.

I never claimed that last bit you said. You don't have to try everything to know that you are comfortable with what you grew up with, and prefer that.

You can't have a preference without trying multiple things.

You can LIKE something without trying other things, but you can't prefer it over things you've never tried.

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Gaming laptops don't get crap battery life unless you are actually trying to play games on them while unplugged, which is silly. I can't use my full graphics card capability on the battery. So, I play plugged in. And desktops don't have any battery life, so how is that a negative compared to a dekstop.

Fact is, most people have laptops, so if PC gamers want PC gaming to become more popular, gaming laptops are what they should be supporting, because most people just don't want to dedicate a space in their house for a desktop PC.

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Damn well said. I've been considering getting into PC gaming by buying a laptop and starting off easy, and surprise surprise, I've run into a TON of resistance from hermits telling me that's a stupid idea, and that laptop PC gaming "sucks", and so on, making my entry-level into it more difficult than it should be. I've had posters here pester the hell out of me to get into PC gaming, calling me "closed minded" and all sorts of other insults, and then when I say "hey, maybe I will jump in and start PC gaming, but on a laptop because I don't like bulky and cumbersome desktops." and then all I get is silence from the same posters who were subsequently hounding my every post.

With things like that and some of the awful attitudes I see from a lot of hermits in general, I haven't been getting a very good impression from the PC community, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard either. They should be more open to diversity in their platform of choice, instead of sticking their noses up and going out of their way to belittle anyone who isn't a hardcore and high-end tech fetishist.

Yeah, nothing wrong with a laptop. I have an Alienware m14x, which runs games very well and has two huge fans underneath to help with heating issues. In general, I think that's the main difference between an actual gaming laptop and just a powerful laptop.

I mean, it was an expensive laptop, but it didn't cost anywhere near as much as my old Macbook and it was far more powerful for more powerful. Additionally, I don't see how PC gamers piss and moan about Alienware prices. Mine was 1400, which isn't much more than I've paid for other regular laptops in the past, and I got a free 360 with it so I was able to sell that to mitigate the costs.

There's nothing wrong with a laptop as long as you're buying gaming hardware.

Your Alienware is far better than any store-bought laptop of similar specs because it's built better. More efficient, higher quality parts, better ventilation.

It's recommending someone go to bestbuy, and buy the most powerful Sony, or Asus laptop that I find difficult.

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[QUOTE="NirdBerd"]

It's funny because this argument just circles around really,

You could argue that PC gamers are trying so bad to convert console gamers, or just that, PC is more powerful, but console gamers retaliate with invalid arguments so it circles around and the argument just goes on forever. "PC is best" "But but its expensive"

I must say, it's interesting, fanboys try so hard.

I'm not gonna get into why I personally prefer console gaming because I have a couple of reasons and I've said them loads of tiems previously, but ultimately I just prefer console. I could care less about someone on the internet who ends up butthurt about that statement. I prefer console. Yes. Get over it.

I think the idea of PC gamers working so hard to convert consolites was perceived when PC gamers type a frickin novel about why PC gaming is better because a consolite said 'But PC gaming is expensive' 'I wanna sit at the couch not the desk' or whatever.

Bigboi500

They are only "invalid" when it comes to excuses they make, or when they say PC isn't a superior platform. When they genuinely have a preference for games that are only on consoles and handhelds, that is a very valid argument.

Is it just as valid when they have little-to-no experience with PC games, and still claim they have a preference?

Because preference implies that you've tried multiple things, and like one more than the others.

It'd be a pretty big lie to state that everyone who has ever dismissed PC games did so after actually playing them.

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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="Bowelss"] I'd almost guarantee that ~50%-75%+ of the (strictly) PC gamers on this forum that actually take the time to boast on PC gaming don't even have mid-range machines. I wouldn't worry about it.santoron

Yeah.

There's thousands of PC games that don't require massive rigs (or a rig at all) to play, especially when you consider the PC's massive library of titles.

Agreed with the replies above. And Laptops these days can be great gaming machines at decent prices. Not being able to upgrade stinks, but they also have their advantages.

The question is "which laptops?"

You can't just buy any old laptop, and say "I'll be playing games on this". There are plenty of problems you'll run into.

I know people who have fallen into that trap before that purchase a store-brand laptop that isn't even advertised for gaming. It just has power.

Then low and behold when they begin getting into gaming they find that they rely on the brand (Sony, HP, Acer, etc) to release driver support rather than the actual component developer (ATI, Nvidia, etc).

Then you get into the fact that because they aren't gaming laptops their build quality is terrible. You get cheap parts, and poor ventilation. I've got friends who can't even play lower-end games on their high power laptops because they'll just overheat, and lock up. Heck, my brother spent $1300 on a laptop, and trying to game on it lead to him having to take it apart, and re-apply the CPU to the motherboard inside because it melted off....

It's much more beneficial to purchase a cheap netbook, tablet, or laptop, and then to also purchase a gaming desktop.

I mean you're looking at around $800-$1200 to buy a laptop that'll do low-end gaming well, and that'll be outdated in a few years.

Instead you can easily purchase a $300 laptop, and spend $600-$800 to purchase an awesome PC.

Between both you will get

  • A laptop with nearly the same performance as that $1000 laptop when it comes to schoolwork, web browsing, music, etc
  • A desktop that'll absolutely blow that laptop away in all areas, and you won't be limited at all when it comes to gaming.

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Anyone have a good suggestion for a gaming laptop that costs no more than $1000 and can play Guild Wars 2, Dead Island, and Skyrim and would be able to play new games up to 3 yrs? I'd be looking to buy in Summer.

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No


But it's entirely possible to buy a laptop (non-gaming, but performs very well for schoolwork in comparison to $1000 laptops), and a gaming desktop (that'd be far more powerful than a $1000 laptop) for a combined total of ~$1000

Don't buy a laptop for major gaming unless you intend on buying higher end products.

As it stands for sub-$1000 you'll get budget hardware, poorly designed cases that lead to overheating (I've seen this issue effect people), and your PC gaming experience just won't be all that great.

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Thanks for telling me, Mr. Guy Working For Sony

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Can't say I'm a fan of where this thread immediately went.

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This is a topic that's been on my mind for a while, and it bugs me. Mainly because I see it occur every day.

Willful Ignorance


The practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguements because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs.

Many times it is practiced due to laziness--people not wanting to have to do the work to rethink their opinions, the fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong, or sometimes simply close-mindedness.

This is the biggest problem I believe our industry faces today.

Sure you might think DLC is a problem, or Call of Duty, or casuals, or whatever, but these problems absolutely pale in comparison.

The thing about DLC, CoD, casual games, and whatever else is that there is nothing about them that is forced onto us. We don't, and never have, had to buy the things we do not like.

INTERMISSION

*This pic provided to reduce boredom from reading*



However, willful ignorance essentially means denying yourself entertainment for, what is essentially, no reason at all. We see it on System Wars all the time. People who ignore games because of the way they look, or how they play, or their popularity, or their budget, but never once have they attempted to play the game. Heck, some of them don't care to even learn what the game is about anyways.

Now this isn't just an issue on System Wars. It happens everywhere. I've got friends who have similar mindsets themselves.

You know the people:

  • "I've never heard of it, so it must not be the great"
  • "These screenshots look terrible. I'm not going to play that"
  • "Game looks boring"
  • "Another *insert genre here*? Pass"

And of course let's not forget the fanboys.

It's these people who forgo entire genres of games, and avoid mountains of quality titles for practically no reason at all, and then have the nerve to call themselves "core", or "dedicated" gamers. It truly makes my stomach turn.

The same rule applies to game systems as well. We all know those certain somebodies who won't play other systems, and we've all heard them list off their piss-poor excuses for thinking the way they do.

There is nothing that hurts game developers, and the industry as a whole, more than when you deny them a chance to entertain you.

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#9 SW__Troll
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]Relatively speaking, i'm sure it is cheap in comparison to some hobbies. However, there is a reason sports such as soccer and basketball are so popular in areas. Due to the extremely low entry and maintenance cost. Gaming can be an expensive hobby... How does that sound :P I've experienced budgets and bills, and spend drastically more on gaming than I do on golfing (as per your example), and i'm quite a regular golfer.foxhound_fox
This is true. Sounds great to me. I was mostly talking about a unit-to-unit comparison. What one game offers compared to one movie, one round of golf, etc. True. Any hobby is as expensive as one makes it. Gaming is just really cheap compared to most unless one wants everything.

The thing is that gaming is not a substitute good for a round of golf.

Why are you trying to apply the same levels of value to each?

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#10 SW__Troll
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I don't think $60 is too expensive

However, I think the pricing system for console games is incredibly archaic in today's market.

There's no middle ground at all, nor is there much in terms of free, or "extra cheap" games.

On the consoles you have two options for buying games. $60 retail releases, or $10-$15 arcade titles.

Between PC and smartphones you have $60 retail releases, as well as $50/$40/$30/$20 retail releases. Then you have the $10-$15 arcade titles, and sub-$5 titles, subscriptions, and free-to-play titles.

It's no wonder PC/Smartphone gaming is growing at a faster rate than console gaming nowadays. There are so many more markets being captured in comparison.