Despite minor inaccuracies about Smash (Link is not only not a top-tier character he isn't even particularly high, especially relative to Marth, Fox, and Sheik), I don't think anything that was said in the OP is really that wrong. Yes, SSBM has wave-dashing and L-cancelling and so forth. Do you think that skills of similar complexity and difficulty don't exist in SF3?

SSBM has great, intuitive controls, but I'd hardly call it the tower of complexity and balance that some people say it is.

sonicmj1

I have seen many video of Link in tournament play. If I'm not mistaken EVO East 2007, A Link player made it to the Semi-finals.

can you give a quick opinion on soul calibur? =)

Koalakommander

Sure, Very, very "broken". Still an amazing game that implemented the use of weapons flawlessly. Something that Battle Arena Toshiden could not do.

[QUOTE="chaotzu"]What are you guys arguing about? He's not saying Smash Bros. isn't deep, he's just saying it's not 3S deep. BTW, you're calling out Youtube videos for Smash Bros? Have you seen some of the s#** that 3S has on there? It'll give you an erection._Impmacaque_

I don't think you get the point. The point is he's making invalid points about smash. The point is he's making a comparison with a game he has no competitive experience with. He doesn't even recognize the competitive aspects of melee, much less know what they are.

Did I *once* say smash was as deep as SF3? Nope. It could be, or couldn't be. A matter of opinion at best.

But that's not what this is about. This has nothing to do with SF3.

This has to do solely with him misrepresenting smash as a party game with pick up n' play mechanics and a completely broken character roster. In doing so, he invalidates the comparison.

Comparing Smash to 3S? 3S is deeper, Characters are more balance, and mechanics are better. I never mention the whole mechanics for either 3S or Smash, yet you want to explain the jist of roll, evade, throw, etc... Yes, I'm very familiar with Smash, in fact, consider myself a intermediate Marth player. Stop crying! Notice it the guys with Nintendo Avatars and sig who trying to claim I'm wrong? Dude relax, I'm here to defend SSBM just as the next fan for it, but truth be told, 3S is the whole package. An professional opinion.

Aside from not even being able to recognize the clearly superior characters in Melee, you also bash it as simple and "easy". Yes, at your level of play, the game is meant to be easy. That's the bueaty of smash; it's easy to pick up (Casual party-goer's who play with items in random stages) and impossible to master.

Seriously, if you're as much a competitive fighter fan as you claim to be then head to Smashboards.com and read up on some beginner tactics. Learn some of the basic physics of the game, and you'll grow to appreciate the depth of the smash engine much more than your traditional fighters'.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cDS4Qq-bgjk

Here's two intermediate smashers playing. When you can look at this and understand what's going on, THEN you can make a relavant comparison between smash and another game.

_Impmacaque_

I Bashed Smash? sigh whatever...

[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"][QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"]And btw you know nothing about Ssbm pro play, Link is not a top tier character.Stabby2486

Sure. :roll:

Tell that to Evo, MLG, and Smash Boards.

You obvious didn't read the whole post...

I did, Link is not top tier and is not one ofthe most prefered characters.

Link as establish to enter many depth of Pro-fighter events. Is this not true?

You are sorely misinformed on the mechanics of Smash.

Falco and Link top in competitive play? What a total **** joke. Smash's top tier of competitive characters are Fox, Marth, Shiek (in no particular order.)

Do you know how to tech? SHFL? Powershield? Edge guard properly? Can you wavedash effectively? Do you have competitive level mindgames? Can you dashdance effectively? Do you cancel all your aerials? Do you chain grab?

You know as much about smash as I know about street fighter. In other words; you know nothing.

_Impmacaque_

How did I misinformed poster about Smash? Are you telling me there isnt't a Smash Attack? You can't charge the Smash Attack? You my want to calm down a bit and understand what are you saying.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]I don't want to sound biased or anything but I'd totally have D0013ER's love child...D0013ER

OMG!!! how can I forget you. You tight like gnat booty. Best formite I like on the lemming side.

We are badass OG's, are we not??

So...I couldn't help but notice that you're gangster. You know something, I'm pretty darned gangster myself...

I bez in the hood too yo!

[QUOTE="Shusty_lives"]

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"]And btw you know nothing about Ssbm pro play, Link is not a top tier character.Stabby2486

Sure. :roll:

Tell that to Evo, MLG, and Smash Boards.

You obvious didn't read the whole post...

You completely are taking away the fact there are so many other things only skill players are even capable of.jg4xchamp

I mention that SSBM takes skills to master. You taking the fact away that doing a 720 and two buttons after a 2-frame parry is more difficult than any smash move.

And btw you know nothing about Ssbm pro play, Link is not a top tier character.Stabby2486

Sure. :roll: