@mathandr: No mostly from seeing first hand how people can gang up on others from simple misunderstandings, poor use of words or touching on sensitive subjects not to mention disliking that someone decided to be a fence sitter and thus apparently becomes fair game for bullying, harassments and in cases even threats. And it's not just one or two cases i have seen plenty and looked into aftermaths of many others. Some blowing way out of proportions. The worst part being that the victims could be from any side of a political spectrum. And so could the mob. I tend to look around on lots of groups from different sides of the spectrum. Preferably if i feel like i don't agree cause then i am likely to learn more from it. sadly it most of it is just the same garbage reiterated for a different rhetoric.
If Carano has done bad stuff at the company and got fired from it i see no issue. But if this is about reading into stuff and just making a bigger issue out of statements taken out of context well i will have an issue with it. And if people try to put up poor reasons to justify it i will not hold back on criticising it.
@esqueejy: Who are these people you are referring to?? What is this group you are talking about? Are you talking about the right? I barely agree with half of what they are spouting. Then again i consider the same about the left.
Yes and they used the word diversity for a power and control move. Thus it's politics that is what politics is about it's purely a matter of definition.
Nonsense you mean historical accuracy? what are you denying historical actual events that can be compared to other historical and modern events? Something that is being done all over the place by those who actually put in the effort to study history?? I'm sorry who is spouting nonsense here?
@mathandr: Whether cancel culture works or is an actual culture isn't a big issue the problem is that the behaviour and consequences associated with it in social media and in peoples private lives are a real issue. And it is harmful, the behaviour and polarizing effects amongst people in the political climate are unforgiving and harsh to a point where it alienates entire groups and harms actual progress.
People listening to each other is basic civil behaviour. The agree to disagree thinking has taken a back seat to pressure until they have to agree or become silenced. Idealism is more about witch hunts than reaching a goal at this point. Though admittedly it's a minority event compared to the majority of people being decent.
Of course, she will be fine a bit sad to lose the character in the show though even if it was cheesy. But that is just my own preference over badass female soldiers with guns talking. And the decision seemed more about being pressured by social media to take a stance to avoid the big fuss. Again letting a vocal minority push agendas through loud screaming. I was more focused on the issues surrounding what she said and how people reacted and their often poor reasons for it that have mainly been grounded in not understanding the context of what was actually being said. Not that it helps that she tried to state something complex on a limited platform like Twitter.
Disney is Disney and big companies have both good and bad sides we can't avoid that since it's an effect of being that big. But that also means they need to be more careful with how they handle these situations. And what it presents to the world. This is why my comments have focused on the issues around Carano and her statements which were not that bad. And when taken in context are maybe not perfect but they make a point.
@mathandr: Unity? I'm talking about not listening to what people are saying. Im focusing on the argument. Carano's post about the Jewish persecution and political climate was an apt argument. And historically correct. Something that has been used several times even in education to warn against polarised and toxic behaviour simply because people doesn't share opinions. Her statement even points out an issue that happens against everyone regardless of political leaning. Considering how cancel culture happens in both directions. And silences people in fear of becoming the next person to get mobbed by angry idealists. Or the fact that there is currently a big "If you are not with us you are against us sentiment trying to force people to take sides" That is polarising and bad for the entire political debate. And it needs to stop.
@mathandr: sigh you learned a fancy acronym and think it's a useful argument tool? let me guess TL;DR my entire post and didn't even spend a moment to process what I wrote?
If anything you definitely didn't read it properly. The basis of Carano's argument also. People don't even talk to each other anymore nor listen. The moment one thinks they don't agree with one's own ideals it is practically impossible to add new arguments to the debate because everyone is so busy inserting their own bias into the debate regardless of what is being said. Now only focusing on us vs them crusade with no mercy or moment for actual dialogue. This is the real problem of today's polarised politics. Everyone is too busy to find a witch to burn. Really is tiring and makes me lose hope for humanity.
@esqueejy: Everything is politics the moment it becomes a question about power and control. He did a semantics move with those words to divert focus away from the issue. Classical move but easy to spot if one looks for it. And no don't assume my political position based on your loosely biased interpretation of parts of what I wrote. There is so much ignorant anger surrounding her posts it's daunting to look at. Even scarier is that it proves her point.
@Baconstrip78: Well I'm a leftist conservative mind you. not just "A conservative" So im pretty much against all major "political" leanings today in this joke called modern politics.
@mathandr: This right here is the big problem. Lacking historical knowledge.
Before Germany actively started persecuting Jews, antisemitism was already strongly established in Europe. When the Nazi party began gaining power they didn't act on the jews immediately they just riled up the populace step by step. Normal civilians, neighbors, and business associates started to harass them more than before, ban them from stores, and threw stones after them on the streets. All this long before the government became actively involved themselves. Then they stepped in and made it worse with their own "solutions". But before that, there was a buildup turning neighbors against each other. Outing "suspected" people. (this is basic history knowledge taught in most European nations schools btw) Very similar to how cancel culture and current censorship are developing today. The difference now is that it's everyone becoming polarized towards each other WHICH is what she was talking about because these attacks happen on both sides and it's something that experts have been alarmed by for years now. Because we have a large increase in outings, harassments, threats and more happening. Where companies and normal people are the ones mainly involved. We have an entire older generation pretty much screaming for it to stop because they recognize this pattern from over 70 years ago ffs. And Carano is getting shit for stating this freaking historical fact and using it as an example, a good example if you know your history properly.
"It's not about politics" then instantly starts talking about politics. Dude what kind of bs?
Anyone with a sensible mind that isn't corroded by left/right cancerous thinking and actually read what she writes in context can see that it to a degree makes sense and isn't completely wrong. Generalized at times sure but enough to be controversial? Please you would have to be one unstable mind or really left/right religiously idealistic to lose your mind over those things. "Oh wait Twitter people"
It is at moments like these that I agree with sentiments as old as freaking Plato. "Democracy is just glorified mob rule."
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