[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]A fetus isn't a baby.SoBaus

Pretty broad statement there. Care to put any limits at all on that? Or are you OK with killing "it" as long as it has not cleared the birth canal? Does the fact that a fetus/baby can survive outside the womb after as little as 5 months gestation give you any pause whatsoever at declaring it a tissue mass with no expectation of protection?

I'm not willing to call it a human life at the moment of conception, but there has to be some point during the pregnancy that we recognize it as a human life worthy of the same protections from deliberate harm as the rest of us have.

so you are willing to say god killed my child, because i never did nothing to upset him?

he also killed my best friend, because why the hell not? thank god this is the internet because i might do some freelance plastic surgery if it wasnt.

Keep telling me why i deserve this though.

If science isnt science and is cells, that means god hates me, and wants me to hurt others.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]A fetus isn't a baby.collegeboy64

Pretty broad statement there. Care to put any limits at all on that? Or are you OK with killing "it" as long as it has not cleared the birth canal? Does the fact that a fetus/baby can survive outside the womb after as little as 5 months gestation give you any pause whatsoever at declaring it a tissue mass with no expectation of protection?

I'm not willing to call it a human life at the moment of conception, but there has to be some point during the pregnancy that we recognize it as a human life worthy of the same protections from deliberate harm as the rest of us have.

so you are willing to say god killed my child, because i never did nothing to upset him?

he also killed my best friend, because why the hell not? thank god this is the internet because i might do some freelance plastic surgery if it wasnt.

Keep telling me why i deserve this though.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

Please, begin telling me where I'm wrong.

Fundai

Well first im gonna trump your ass due to the fact that god killed my child.

2nd always used protection, but adoption can ruin the life of a mother.

And in terms of euthanasia, not all pain can be stopped.... thats the entire reason DR.Kevorkian did what he did.

You are a child afterall.

Dude, the fact your shild died makes me feel nothing but Sympathy for you. Just have to say that. What makes you think God killed your child? Don't you think if It there is God out there (As you said) your child is in a better place? Don't you think maybe it was just time for he/she to go?

Read "the Shack" by William P. Young.. It could explain it too you much better than I can...

Second, what does this really have to do with abortion? Don't you think your child is glad that they got to live? To breathe? Not be killed before bitrth.

Adoption can really ruin the life of a mother more than killing the baby??? :? how?

Euthanasia is the killing off a weak individual. You don't know what that person wants. If they actually wish to die because theres no hope for them anyway, they may do it of natural causes... But legalizing Euthanasia will just lead to problems down the road.

Child is dead, my best friend was killed around the same time. If i believe in god, hes a horribly petty being punishing me for believing in him. If i take the scientific appraoch. Its a just bad circumstance... if its god i got a dude to kill.

Giant companies carve out tax loopholes so they can avoid taxes.

The best bet for the economy would be to close all the tax loopholes and lower the corporate tax rate. But most republicans refuse to remove tax loopholes.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

Fundai

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

Please, begin telling me where I'm wrong.

Well first im gonna trump your ass due to the fact that god killed my child.

2nd always used protection, but adoption can ruin the life of a mother.

And in terms of euthanasia, not all pain can be stopped.... thats the entire reason DR.Kevorkian did what he did.

You are a child afterall.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

DroidPhysX

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

Ive got alot more weight in my opinion than most here.

by being Pro Life all I'm doing is protecting the lives ofbabies and the weak, is that really a bad thing to do.

First, if you don't want to have kids don't have sex, or atleast not unprotected. If you honestly don't think you can handle a kid don't tempt fate. The Purpose of sex is to have kids...

2nd Is it honestly that hard to give a child up for adoption if you can't keep it?

on the topic of Euthanasia, people don't realize that almost all pain can be stopped... People also don't realize that its never the patient that ask to die by Euthanasia once the pain stops.

Fundai

Everything you say is wrong, i dont even know where to begin.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Either way, it shouldn't matter too much given your argument from consciousness. I was thinking more aborted as a foetus though.SolidSnake35

probably not, its unconscious afterall. Would you care if you went to sleep and never wokeup? you would never know.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

I hate this board because im so much older and more experienced than everyone else it seems.

My ex girlfriend farted a fetus in a toilet as a miscarriage. How do you deal with that one? The religious approach is god wanted it to happen... why is god killing your children? seems like a crappy god.

The science approach is miscarriages happen to a certain portion of the population, and a fetus is just a conglomeration of cells.

So if science is wrong and its not an unconscious being, why did god kill my child? Ive never actually done anything very bad in life, always tried to be nice to others.

tenaka2

You could be struck by lightning for saying such a thing :)

How old are you by the way if you don't mind me asking?

28, the miscarriage was actually when i was back in college and i was 21. That was the least of my worries though.... if god exists he really loves to dump on me. I was christian going into college too.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] How are you supposed to decide if an unborn person deserves to live or die?locopatho

statistics, genetic testing.... plenty of clues to go off of.

If some lady was pregnant by a husband she didnt know... and her child was genetically prone to violence and abuse, and of very low intelligence. She is in college and would have to abandon her degree to have the child... is it worth it to abandon her careeer to make the next star of a horror movie?

who does?