[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] :lol: hahahahahaha are you for real? 1- A trust fund has nothing to do with the welfare system, why this 'rich kid' even makes it into this discussion is beyond me 2- Who are you to decide who deserves their wealth? Their parents or grandparents worked extremely hard for it and they have the right to distribute it however they wish 3-How in gods name can you blakently call everyone on welfare "a leech on society". You have no idea of their current situation. And using a purchase of baby formula as an example is disgusting. Instead of choosing drugs or alcohol you think that the best example of how they are a leech is when they purchase baby formula for their child? Nice... 4-When they purchase things (anything) they contribute to the economy. Supply and demand is the foundation of the economy, they are the demand and they are contributing to the growth of the economy through spendingchaoscougar1

Good philisophical question, who does deserve wealth? A welfare recipient doesnt, becase they have never worked a day in their life. But someone thats never worked a day in their life, but came out of a rich ballsack does though?

So success isnt about how smart you are or how hard you worked... its about which nutsack you oozed out of. Good slogan for america imo.

explains why american upward mobility has been tanking over the years.... cuz normal americans dont deserve success no matter how smart they are and how hard they work!

I did not realise you were the single person who decided who deserves money and who does not, who has earned and who hasn't. My mistake :roll:

Your arguments are absolutely ridiculous, when did I or anyone else say success is about who your parents are? Well didn't the parents have to work hard for it? Also, believe it or not, there a couple of million people in the US and strangely enough they can be divided into more categories than "trust fund kid" and "person on welfare" :shock:

Your arguments are massive generalisations with no factual standing, do us all a favour and quit while you are behind.

fine, lets do this. a progressive tax structure helps everyone by helping all the great entrepenuers with great business ideas build their businesses into to empires, like google, microsoft, and apple by giving them low tax rates during their formative stages.

The only reason to have a tax structure that rewards the rich, is because rich people are afraid to compete with up and comers in a free market system, because they are afraid they are smarter and harder workers. So they want to use government tax barriers to stifle competition.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

The guy that has never worked a day in his life, but buys a new flatscreen for his mansion every year.

Or the person on welfare that can barely afford to feed their kids.

Both individuals have never worked a day in their life, but one is poor and one is rich... which individual is our taxpayer money better spent funding? which one creates more jobs?

SUD123456

How is the rich guy funded by taxpayer money?

tax cuts. Taxes have to be paid, if they arent being paid by the rich (the most able to pay) then they have to be paid by the middle cIass and poor. AKA trickle down.

Unless of course you think we dont need taxes, and somalia is a model country for the western world to follow.

If you really did those, they look damn tasty. Looks like you could be a professional cook to me. I'm looking to go to a cooking school, but want it more so I can cook for myself as I find it incredibly satisfying when I make a good meal, plus cooking relaxes me.

I know how to make a few things.....beef tongue (best cut of the cow), hot dogs, spaghetti, BBQ steaks, baked chicken, beef stroganoff, and all the usual side dishes (mashed potatoes, brocolli, rice, etc.) but my best creation by far is garlic chicken. Six thighs browned, then cooked with garlic and mushrooms in white wine and chicken broth. Best. Food. Ever.

I really wish there were a cooking union here on GS.

Rekunta

beef tongue best cut? its 100% muscle, no fat.... I mean if you thinks its tasty... eat the hell out of it.

But in terms of what makes a good cut of meat on a technical level, beef tongue is worse than flank steak :P

So neither's producing anything, but one's hoarding capital which is very slowly being returned to circulation in the form of taxes and luxury expenses - is that about the sum of it? I don't have enough of a grip on economics to say which would be considered healthier for the economy.jimmyjammer69

you have a surprisingly good understanding. But one of the 2 categories... is less likely to invest their excess funds in foreign economies. I dont wanna spoil it, by telling you which one... but you seem to have a good understanding... so i think you will figure out which non contributing party is more likely to invest in foreign economies instead of local economies.

shes right, democrats dont let false ideals and their relationship to "god" usurp sound economic policy.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

Good fallback, when you dont understand communism and socialism, just pretend they are the same thing as a democratic mixed economy.

Mathematician? whatever numbers lover. herp derp.

if you want to say something based on logic i would be happy to debate you.

tenaka2

Culture is built upon what is passed down from previous generations, you may as well argue that its wrong to pass on genes to the next generation as it is to pass on physical items.

People often work hard in order to build something for their children, you would say this is not deserved?

Probably not. In evolutionary terms, i pass on my genes because i can beat the crap out of your genes... not because somewhere down the line you had a rich uncle. If im bigger and stronger, my genes pass, not yours.

EDIT: personally i would stick to more ideology, gonna beat you on science and math at every turn. My opinions are heaviily backed by science and mathematical principles. You cant win on those fronts... unless you are a MIT grad or something....

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[QUOTE="angrules23"]Giving rich people tax breaks would make the economy worse and cutting off welfare would have dramatic social costs. Rich people save a larger % of their income because a mortgage repayment is nothing to someone earning $150,000+ but someone earning less than $20,000 a year is going to spend a greater portion of their income on essentials. So if you make it so rich people pay less in taxes it means a lower level of consumption in an economy, higher levels of savings, less tax revenue for the government reducing government spending leading to a contraction in the economy (where economic growth goes down). angrules23

what about the maid, butler, and landscaping sectors of the economy? give a rich guy 100k in tax breaks he may hire a landscaper... cuz hesa job creator. Give a poor guy 100k he will probably do his own landscaping... since he doesnt have those business instincts.

yea no, i have a pretty good idea. Have taken several economics courses at the collegic level.

Poor people spend money as well as rich folk... in fact poor people spend money better, because they are less likely to spend money on foreign economies. Poor people are more likely to invest in our local economy.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] :lol: hahahahahaha are you for real? 1- A trust fund has nothing to do with the welfare system, why this 'rich kid' even makes it into this discussion is beyond me 2- Who are you to decide who deserves their wealth? Their parents or grandparents worked extremely hard for it and they have the right to distribute it however they wish 3-How in gods name can you blakently call everyone on welfare "a leech on society". You have no idea of their current situation. And using a purchase of baby formula as an example is disgusting. Instead of choosing drugs or alcohol you think that the best example of how they are a leech is when they purchase baby formula for their child? Nice... 4-When they purchase things (anything) they contribute to the economy. Supply and demand is the foundation of the economy, they are the demand and they are contributing to the growth of the economy through spendingtenaka2

Good philisophical question, who does deserve wealth? A welfare recipient doesnt, becase they have never worked a day in their life. But someone thats never worked a day in their life, but came out of a rich ballsack does though?

So success isnt about how smart you are or how hard you worked... its about which nutsack you oozed out of. Good slogan for america imo.

explains why american upward movility has been tanking over the years.... cuz normal americans dont deserve it!

I agree with you comrade, but the use of the word 'oozed' is just nasty.

Good fallback, when you dont understand communism and socialism, just pretend they are the same thing as a democratic mixed economy.

Mathematician? whatever numbers lover. herp derp.

if you want to say something based on logic i would be happy to debate you.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

What does the welfare system have to do with someones trust fund?

chaoscougar1

both are undeserved wealth are they not?

Good philisophical question, who does deserve wealth? A welfare recipient doesnt, becase they have never worked a day in their life. But someone thats never worked a day in their life, but came out of a rich ballsack does though?

So success isnt about how smart you are or how hard you worked... its about which nutsack you oozed out of. Good slogan for america imo.

explains why american upward mobility has been tanking over the years.... cuz normal americans dont deserve success no matter how smart they are and how hard they work!

I'd say the person onwelfare, because they are taking resources and not putting any back in. The rich man helps if he's not a miser. His spending and investments puts money into the economy. Giving the wealthy tax breaks is about encouraging them to spend more of the money they have. Which means most of the money they spend will go to the citizens which will be exchanges again and again meaning that money will be taxed MORE in the hands of the common peoplesimply because they keep buying and selling.

But the most interesting side is the people who work within government andlaunder our money. People like to ignore them and blame the welfare programs. So really the greed of man is the mostdetrimental to society.

MagnumPI

poor people can spend money as well as rich people... probably even better since they have limited funds, they will probably consider their expenditures more in depth. So they will consider costs and rewards free market entitities that perform better.

a rich person probably wont reward a company for providing the best value, but a poor person would.