Just found this link about who eating meat and dairy causes cancer.
Disclaimer: this has nothing to do with PETA nor does it put me on PETAs side. This is strictly in defense of a vegetarian diet.
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Yeah, exactly. Look at how a lion kills a zebra and then look at the way we raise cattle. Its quite different. If I went out and hunted my prey killing them quickly I would eat meat. But the fact is that animals raise for meat are tortured their whole entire lives. and its unnecessary because we don't need meat to live. You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up. Its easy to say "I think thats stupid" but you can't even really say why besides repeating what you've heard. Like a bunch of ignorant sheep, its really sad. This forum is full of sheep. I'm out![QUOTE="Squidney"][QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]
I think that all these groups are stupid -_-
I mean were omnivours, we were made to eat meat and vegetables... And cruelty to animals? Dont make me laugh... Watch Animal Planet and write down all the preaty ways a zebra can get killed and eaten (not necesarily alive) out in Africa...
chaplainDMK
Realy? Killed quickly?
Does:
-Getting drowned while your legs are being spun out of their joints
-Being eaten alive
-Having your leg broken then getting eaten while you still stand
-Getting your leg broken and left to die from either infection or the lions
etc.
What's with our cattle? They are in a room with food and water infront of them and they dont have to do anything else but to eat the food and wait till they get slaughtered... Witch takes about 1 second, them prolly not eaven knowing what happaned.
In comparison to a whole life of torture animals in the wild have it good. Thats all that I meant. By no means did I mean to downplay how brutal nature is. I know that, I meant in comparison to our cattle. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. ChaplainDMK if you really think thats what goes on in slaughterhouses your horribly wrong. Cattle are raised in giant rooms with tiny individual stables where they can not even turn around. They are abused by workers and often only fed once a week as the hormones they inject them with fatten them up much quicker than feeding them a normal diet. They are diseased and hurt often standing in their own feces for days.
[QUOTE="Squidney"]You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up.Niff_T
I don't think I've seen you post a link to back up your ridiculous claims that humans are actually herbivores...
I didn't mean actual links but rather information backing up your argument. I didn't really want to post links because it waas never my intention to push my views on people and gross everyone out. I simply started by answering someones questions and then getting attacked. So here are some links. JUST for you Niff.
Abuse
Slaughterhouse truth
Earthlings by Jauquin Phoenix
Free Me
Article on humans being plant-eaters
Another article
Yeah, exactly. Look at how a lion kills a zebra and then look at the way we raise cattle. Its quite different. If I went out and hunted my prey killing them quickly I would eat meat. But the fact is that animals raise for meat are tortured their whole entire lives. and its unnecessary because we don't need meat to live. You can say whatever you like, but i think most of you have already lost the debate judging by your lack of factual information with any kind of reference to back you up. Its easy to say "I think thats stupid" but you can't even really say why besides repeating what you've heard. Like a bunch of ignorant sheep, its really sad. This forum is full of sheep. I'm out!I think that all these groups are stupid -_-
I mean were omnivours, we were made to eat meat and vegetables... And cruelty to animals? Dont make me laugh... Watch Animal Planet and write down all the preaty ways a zebra can get killed and eaten (not necesarily alive) out in Africa...
chaplainDMK
I'm with him. In most cases (but not all) vegans are vocal and obnoxious - the kind of people who would go out of their way to comment on you eating a hamburger if they saw you in a restaurant and then launching into a diatribe about how their choice of diet is more ethical and environmentally friendly and so on, and how you should be ashamed with yourself.[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="Scarebaby"]
Why is that, if I may ask?
Scarebaby
People who eat meat do that too ALL the time, so don't try to shift the blame unfairly. I myself don't do the whole 'point out faults in other people's life style' thing, but that sure as hell hasn't stopped them from calling me a rabbit, a whimp, shoving sausages in my face and actually trying to force me to take a bite out of them. So don't give me any of that crap about vegans, because morons come of all views.
Exactly, just look at all the freaking posts in this forums. Almost everyone makes some witty and negative comment putting themselves on a pedestal and pushing vegetarians to a lower being. So YOU are the hypocrite. I have soooo many friends that are vegetarian and vegan and NONE of them possess the negative traits you're claiming. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, people act this way because you ATTACK THEM and belittle them?
Also, vegans are easily offended and/or provoked[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Squidney"] Well, have you ever taken the time to look into why people are vegetarian? If you did, you would understand and respect it (I'm not sayin you would practice it necessarily but at least respect other people's decisions). People aren't vegetarian for no reason. For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue. Meat is not healthy, its bad for you, very bad for you in fact. Meat is not natural, humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet, and our "canines" are incomparable to carnivorous species, and more comparable to orangutans and other herbivores. I, also am completely against factory farming and unnecessary cruelty to animals, although to me thats a totally separate issue as I mainly view meat eating as unnecessary and unhealthy. As for fake meat products, we're not trying to pretend that we're eating meat as much as maintaining a similar diet as we did before we went vegetarian. Tofurky is tasty and gives me the protein I need, without the negative effects of meat, thats why I eat it.cornholio157
yes they are, andgiving responses like that they wonder why people dont like them.:roll:
also notice how alot of his statements are stated as fact. "For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue."
"Meat is not natural" its made of nitrogen, carbon, oxygen andhydrogen. last time i checked those are the organic elements and are naturally existing.
"humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet" also last time i checked cows have 4 stomachs cause there herbavores how many do humans have? 1? thats what i though. long digestive tracts andthe presencegizzards and a large appendix arefor plant based diets. how bigs our appendix, size of our thumbs. it can be removed harmlessly and its notrequired for digestion? looks like another hole inhis claim.
What? I said "FOR ME" you even quoted me. That means in my opinion! AND someone asked me. Thats so rude of all you to say that you don't like me because I don't eat meat, like, really...I'm really bummed about this whole thread. I don't preach to people about my eating habits and I don't expect people to go vegetarian because I am. I am not hateful to people who think differently than I do and its really immature how everyone is acting. Meat is natural, yes I meant its not natural for humans to eat it. As a vegan, I am sure I research this subject a lot more than you, and as a human (not a robot) I am not right about everything and neither are you. I've never met one person who didn't like me for being vegetarian, and very few have disliked me. I think attacking people and being holier than thou is more of a trait for people to hate than eating veggies.
..I'm a vegan. I don't think its really necessary to loathe someone for their eating habits. Especially when they are so harmless and peaceful. Its really unnecessary and I find it rather offensive.[QUOTE="Squidney"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]
their hearts are in the right place, but they have a disproportionate amount of idiots compared to other groups.
also, I loathe vegans
mrbojangles25
i wasnt that serious.
so no, I dont loathe vegans, and if I met you I am sure we'd get along fine. I just, dunno, dont really like people that make pointless statements.
Its natural to eat meat; its healthy to eat meat; meat is tasty...so why not eat it?
Also, when people stoop to eating Tofurkey and Tofu hot dogs and other meat substitutes, theyre only lying to themselves.
Well, have you ever taken the time to look into why people are vegetarian? If you did, you would understand and respect it (I'm not sayin you would practice it necessarily but at least respect other people's decisions). People aren't vegetarian for no reason. For me all 3 of your reasons why people should eat meat are simply untrue. Meat is not healthy, its bad for you, very bad for you in fact. Meat is not natural, humans have short digestive tracts intended for a plant based diet, and our "canines" are incomparable to carnivorous species, and more comparable to orangutans and other herbivores. I, also am completely against factory farming and unnecessary cruelty to animals, although to me thats a totally separate issue as I mainly view meat eating as unnecessary and unhealthy. As for fake meat products, we're not trying to pretend that we're eating meat as much as maintaining a similar diet as we did before we went vegetarian. Tofurky is tasty and gives me the protein I need, without the negative effects of meat, thats why I eat it.Well that is the way things are in Hollywood, but if you go to other places in the world and view other cultures beauty in a woman varies from weight to wealth to intelligence. Or if you go to Africa and observe a lion's behavior the dominance relies on strength and aggression, not their looks. In the US, money = power so famous actors in Hollywood are viewed as powerful but to apply this to all cultures is silly. Animal's are just as complex, yes, but its quite incomparable in this situation.[QUOTE="Squidney"][QUOTE="Stats_"]
On the surface it may seem so, but i'd argue animals have just as much personality and are just as complex. Nature still governs us all, you can look anywhere for examples of this, school/college/work. The most obvious place is Hollywood though. The females with the highest social standing, and therefore "power" are the pretty ones.
Other females will envy this, and that's fine.
It's different with males.
Stats_
Of course i'm speaking of mainly western society. In other cultures they appreciate other things more then looks. It may not be beauty, but it will be another sort after trait which the other females envy.
When i spoke of Lions i uses the word attractive, I don't know what lions find attractive, but whatever it is, the female who has it is the most dominent.
well thats just it, its not attraction. So you shouldn't use that word. Anyway, my point was just that its different because what seperates us from other creatures are our emotions, and our ability to feel compassion. So in the context of a woman needing to be attractive to be accepted and liked, its just not true. We have personality which is, too many, the most important thing in a person.
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