@killjoi don't think so

@ilantis yup... even the new CSR is basically just a kill-per-minute measurement

pisses me off that Bungie and 343 have taken a CoD flavored dump on this series

@WayTooManyLamas @BoromiRwcgeorge classy

I'd rather have him than you here

4.5M units in its first year?

That's an utter failure. Everyone knows you can't make money on a AAA game these days if it doesn't sell at least 80M copies.

@alkaline8088 you had me until "Reach DMR".... the Reach DMR was a broken POS unless you are thinking of the ZB DMR.

@alkaline8088 @Spartan_418 @soldierofAthens good Lord please don't try to make this "bloom added skill" argument

It's been debunked a MILLION times. Bloom was a broken as hell mechanic that DAMPENED skill differences between players.

Also, Arena was garbage. Kind of a cool idea, but just a junk replacement for ranked lists in the end.

@soldierofAthens DMR is better than the BR even at close range if you are good; DMR has a faster kill time.

@OHGFawx @spammehardo @Printul_Noptii It depended on the map and how you wanted to play... dual wielding could always be viable on a map like lockout/ivory tower depending on how you wanted to play it

BR was still the uber go-to weapon though. H2 was just the only game where dual wielding was actually powerful enough to ever matter.

The reason they keep returning to those franchises is

1) They're more or less pretty good

2) It's all they have going for them

@stealthyninja81 lol are you serious? Reach had no good maps when it shipped. Spire was bad except for invasion.