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How stupid do you have to be to record this, then put it on the internet? I mean, come on. Every present in the video needs an NJP for not being properly hydrated in a combat zone!
On a more serious note, I don't give two sh*ts if these Marines pissed on some dead muj aholes, but don't film it because nobody back home who has never been in a combat zone will ever understand what it's like. Furthermore, the rage this will send the some people into will be nothing but the same old anti-war herp and derp bs they always spew. The funny part is the muj/hadjis can lop off heads and you don't hear anything, but God forbid a Marine buttstrokes an EPW or detainee to shut him up.
This act was undisciplined and bullsh*t. The fact that the Taliban has done way worse is besides the point. We as Marines are better and more disciplined then them and this .. NO matter how you put it these idiots just set the infantry community and the Corps back and everything we have done well in the last ten years will be forgotten.
When Marines do something good, no one notices. When they do something bad, they never forget it
Oh Jesus. This stuff again? There was obviously a reason why this happened. Soldiers don't haze each other to the point where they commit suicide out of nowhere. There is far more discipline than that, especially among line companies. When I served, I got the sh*t hazed out of me, but I never though about killing myself. No offense to Danny Chen, and may he rest in peace, but come on. The military is not for people who can't hack it, and especially people who can't handle a few racial slurs. From my experience, the so called "mental abuse" was often a form of bonding amongst grunts. If you don't mess around with your best buddies and cause them grief once in a while, then you don't belong in an environment that requires cohesion and camaraderie.
If these 8 soldiers hazed Chen to the point where he killed himself, there definitely was an underlying problem with Chen or the platoon. Maybe he was a sh*tbag and threatened the livelihood of the entire unit. The last incident with hazing and suicide occurred when a Marine fell asleep repeatedly on post. In a country like Afghanistan, that is a potential death sentence for everyone on base. I am in no way defending the 8 perpetrators, but some people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about. If an officer and a Staff Sergeant were involved, then there was obviously a breakdown in the COC. No disrespect, but some Army units I've worked with had some "carefree" ways of doing things. The article is very inconclusive of what happened. It doesn't list a lot of information at all. We don't know what really happened, other than a soldier committed suicide and his superiors were held responsible. Did he leave a note saying he was hazed? Did command jump to conclusions that the seniors in charge of him failed the soldier, which led to him killing himself?
I recognize the fact that being in a combat zone there is a low tolerance for incompetence. If this soldier wasn't performing to the standards the command and his superiors held him to, then of course he will be reprimanded. His incompetence could cost the lives of any fellow service member. I also believe that suicide for him was a permanent solution to a temporary problem. There were plenty of chaplains and other NCOs that a person could talk to if they were under duress. I realize this could lead to further abuse for him being a "snitch", but he easily could have been transferred to another company.
On the other hand, I understand that also being in a combat zone the stress level is very high. People deal and cope with stress differently . His NCOs should have known about his mental state to a limit and enough to know if he might have any suicidal tendencies. Mission accomplishment and troop welfare should be the two things that are priorities for the leadership and they failed him. Just my two cents.
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