[QUOTE="WPack911"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Hate to break it to you but the casual is the one with the disposable income

You really think that Kinect is aimed at the core? That's why they showed a child interacting with a game? Because that's the average core user that plays on the 360?

Really, You really think this?

Jaysonguy

When did I ever say that Kinect is for the core? I said there was nothing on kinect for the core and that is a big mistake, because I don't know what world you live in but the age of average core gamer is 32 years old these days, I myself being 25 have plenty of money to spend on gaming and honestly that is what I like to spend it on, so yes they are missing the boat by not having anything for their loyal core fans.

Casuals that wanted to dip their toes into gaming already have a Wii, a Wii that came with all the motions controls built in and even a free game. They are not gonna go out and spend over $450 more on a new console, accessory and at least one game when they already get all the casual game fun they want from their Wii.

The market for this is already Nintendo's and Kinect's Wii Motion copycat line-up and high price have nothing that will even scratch that dominance.

Why do you keep on saying that it's a mistake for Kinect not to be for the core?

The core does not want Kinect so why on Earth would they focus on them?

That's like someone that hates beef you're wondering why I don't offer them a steak

Also great about your life situation, I also point at anything I want and have it but casuals are the ones with disposable income.

As far as them not willing to shell out money I just have to say that you have not followed this generation as closely as you might have because casuals dished out 250 plus another 90 just to play one game and made it one of the best sellers this generation.

Believe whatever you want, the only sad part is that in a year's time when the Kinect is a failure you won't be around for me to say I told you so too. It is gonna fail harder then the PSPgo has for Sony, you can count on it, and when it does at least remember who told you so first.

[QUOTE="WPack911"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Please tell me you're kidding

You think Microsoft is making Kinect for the core?

Really?

The group of people that say "I'm never getting rid of my controller" seems like a great group to work with?

This is to lure the casual and their money to the 360 to fund controller type games

You didn't see that?

What do you think is going to get more mainstream press? The Gears 3 part or the exercise game?

Jaysonguy

I don't give a crap about the casual market, they have made the Wii a joke on many levels. Also, do you think Microsoft really needs money? They are richer then sin, that is like saying a fish in the ocean needs more water! Wii has it's motion controls build in do you really think MS is gonna sell casuals on $300 console and then an additional $120 accessory and then on top of that the games? No, that is way out of the casual price point and this is the one major reason Kinect will fail, the other being that it has nothing for the core.

Hate to break it to you but the casual is the one with the disposable income

You really think that Kinect is aimed at the core? That's why they showed a child interacting with a game? Because that's the average core user that plays on the 360?

Really, You really think this?

When did I ever say that Kinect is for the core? I said there was nothing on kinect for the core and that is a big mistake, because I don't know what world you live in but the age of average core gamer is 32 years old these days, I myself being 25 have plenty of money to spend on gaming and honestly that is what I like to spend it on, so yes they are missing the boat by not having anything for their loyal core fans.

Casuals that wanted to dip their toes into gaming already have a Wii, a Wii that came with all the motions controls built in and even a free game. They are not gonna go out and spend over $450 more on a new console, accessory and at least one game when they already get all the casual game fun they want from their Wii.

The market for this is already Nintendo's and Kinect's Wii Motion copycat line-up and high price have nothing that will even scratch that dominance.

[QUOTE="WPack911"]

First 30 mins awesome, last hour crap. Way to make absolutely no core games for Kinect and copy every Wii motion control franchise. The new 360 is cool, but at the end when crowd was given one for free I saw it as an apology for making them sit through that hour long Kinect showcase of casual crap that none of them cared about.

One thing is for sure Sony and Nintendo should both beat this presser with their own, the bar was set pretty low here today.

Jaysonguy

Please tell me you're kidding

You think Microsoft is making Kinect for the core?

Really?

The group of people that say "I'm never getting rid of my controller" seems like a great group to work with?

This is to lure the casual and their money to the 360 to fund controller type games

You didn't see that?

What do you think is going to get more mainstream press? The Gears 3 part or the exercise game?

I don't give a crap about the casual market, they have made the Wii a joke on many levels. Also, do you think Microsoft really needs money? They are richer then sin, that is like saying a fish in the ocean needs more water! Wii has it's motion controls build in do you really think MS is gonna sell casuals on $300 console and then an additional $120 accessory and then on top of that the games? No, that is way out of the casual price point and this is the one major reason Kinect will fail, the other being that it has nothing for the core.

That was the best E3 presentation EVER

I cannot believe how much awesome was in one show

The mainstream media is going to be all over Kinect and the ESPN news is going to hit all the sports markets

No one cares aout the "standard" games when it comes to the media, it's all about getting the casual and holy cow did they ever go for them

Microsoft = WIN x 10

Jaysonguy

Fanboy much? You just got your MS fangasam on my shoes. Seriously stop with the damage control, saying this was the "best E3 presentation EVER" is like saying the Hindenberg was the greatest flying ship of all time.

EDIT: 911th post for WPack911 a personal milestone.

First 30 mins awesome, last hour crap. Way to make absolutely no core games for Kinect and copy every Wii motion control franchise. The new 360 is cool, but at the end when crowd was given one for free I saw it as an apology for making them sit through that hour long Kinect showcase of casual crap that none of them cared about.

One thing is for sure Sony and Nintendo should both beat this presser with their own, the bar was set pretty low here today.

[QUOTE="WPack911"]

[QUOTE="UltimateGamer95"] Are you interested in playing any first-person shooters?UltimateGamer95

Nothing new really, the only shooters I really like on PC are the Half-Life series and Valve's other shooters mostly, except left 4 dead. The only new games that are coming out in the future that I might want to try out on PC are Star Wars: The Old Republic and MAYBE Diablo III though I have never played Diablo games before. I am have Aion pre-ordered and that is what I have been upgrading for.

I am thinking maybe I can ride this set-up out for like a year and then get a new custom build computer from a website with Windows 7 and some seriously good RAM, CPU, PSU and GPU components along with a good Motherboard.

I'm not that hardcore though so you might be surprised how long I can ride this thing out. I mean I just rode a 6600LE with only 512mb for 4 years before I just taught myself how to upgrade computers and upgraded this one's graphics card and RAM. However, if you are still building when I am looking to buy I will look you up, as long as you can give me a much better price and have some people to vouch for you I might have you build it.

[QUOTE="WPack911"]

[QUOTE="mfp16"]I'm not sure I would bother upgrading the video card looking at the processor. It's going to be such a huge bottleneck to the system... UltimateGamer95

So maybe I should just stick with the 7800GT then?

Nothing new really, the only shooters I really like on PC are the Half-Life series and Valve's other shooters mostly, except left 4 dead. The only new games that are coming out in the future that I might want to try out on PC are Star Wars: The Old Republic and MAYBE Diablo III though I have never played Diablo games before. I am have Aion pre-ordered and that is what I have been upgrading for.

I am thinking maybe I can ride this set-up out for like a year and then get a new custom build computer from a website with Windows 7 and some seriously good RAM, CPU, PSU and GPU components along with a good Motherboard.

[QUOTE="WPack911"]

[QUOTE="mfp16"]I'm not sure I would bother upgrading the video card looking at the processor. It's going to be such a huge bottleneck to the system... mfp16

So maybe I should just stick with the 7800GT then?

Definately a prudent suggestion, I was thinking of maybe just riding this 7800GT out till a game forces me to buy a new PC and then getting a custom build model with Windows 7 pre-installed. This 7800GT is actully new to me anyway kind of, my friend gave me it to me (his old card) since I said that maybe it would help me save some money.

I just upgraded this middle of the road 4 years ago gaming PC, from a 6600LE with only 512mb of RAM to the 7800GT with 2GB of RAM. I am not hardcore with PC gaming anyway, I did this upgrade pretty much just for this game AION that is coming out soon and maybe to try out Spore and/or Sims 3. I guess I will just ride this out as long as I can then, thanks for being honest!:)

I'm not sure I would bother upgrading the video card looking at the processor. It's going to be such a huge bottleneck to the system... mfp16

So maybe I should just stick with the 7800GT then?

Ok, I am thinking of maybe upgrading to an Nvidia 9800GT graphics card, but there are so many types and I don't know which I should buy. So I was wondering if anybody here could help me out and recommend the best 9800GT in your opinion and why.

I have a 450w power supply and I am not looking to upgrade it, so from what I have seen a single 9800GT card would both fall within my power limit, give some great graphics and not be to expensive to boot. So that is why I am looking at 9800GT's right now. I also like Nvidia cards, if you like ATI that is cool, but please only suggest Nvidia for me

My current computer specs follow (nothing special):

AMD Athlon 64 processor 3200+
2GB DDR RAM
Nvidia 7800GT Graphics card
450w PSU
Windows XP Home Edition(SP3)

Suggestions?