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#1  Edited By Wickerman777
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@SolidTy said:

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343?

I don't see it. 343 just doesn't have the goods to be the best looking game for consoles. I think they will turn in a great looking Halo game, sure. They are pushing 60fps....it's not going to happen. I was in the Halo 5 Beta, I was not impressed with the competent but admittedly decent Xbone graphics. They were good, but it's Halo. I was never impressed with Halo 5's graphics (720p 60fps)...NOR was I looking to be impressed with the graphics. It's Halo. 343 is trying to raise the resolution of Halo 5 from the beta's 720p to 900p or even 1080p. They are also going for 60fps. It's not in the cards for Halo 5.

Halo 4 was decent, but not the best looking console game by a huge margin. It was nice for Halo, but taking off the Halo goggles and really looking at it, even GeoW2-3 bests Halo 4.

It's still Halo in the end, with all of Halo's limitations with the funky character models, textures, and geometry. Halo has a lot of empty space the gamer walks around in shooting and walking. A Halo fan can go nuts thinking it's so great, but they aren't being objective because they see the best looking game of a series they adore. It will be the best looking Halo game, that's something at least.

Only the die-hards Halo fanatics that don't care who develops Halo, they just care about the fact the games exist every year are going to think this. Hell, ignorance is bliss. Nothing will sway their Halo Master Chief!%$@!! fanaticism, but I don't see 343 able to do make a true graphics console wonder that will also hit 60fps. It will be a good looking, 1st generation, 60fps Halo game, that what I expect. I expect Halo 6 to look better, but it will be Halo.

Not to mention The Last of Us, Gears of War 2, Uncharted 2, Gears of War 3, Uncharted 3, God of War 3, God of War Ascension, etc all looked way better looking on consoles last gen over Halo 4, but Halo 4 was good looking for Halo no doubt, but it was still Halo.

My worry is 343 needs to make Halo great again, and right now they are playing to the COD crowds and just not able to hit the highs that Bungie did on previous outings.

The Order will probably be better looking that Halo 5, BUT will people care? Same for RYSE. No, because Halo 5 will be the better game....even if right now I'm disappointed with 343's Halo 4 and Master Chief Collection, I will still play those over The Order any day of the week.

Funky character models, textures, and geometry? Hmm, not things that ever seemed issues to me. I think Halo looks good for what it is but it's just always had an artstyle that keeps it outside of best graphics debates. It's cartoony and like I was saying before there's a sterility and emptiness to everything. The artstyle is clinical with no debris around and everything appears shiny and brand new and recently scrubbed. Halo environments don't look lived in to me.

They aren't issues to me, but in a thread making radical claims about best looking console game, it's time to talk about that cartoony and very CLEAN artstyle. It's a world of sterile and very squarish environments. It all feels artificial. The world doesn't seem populated, it's like you are in a holodeck/danger room world or something. It's fine for what Halo is, but it's still Halo in the end. Again, I'm not knocking Halo for what is. It is what it is. 60fps and 900p/1080p is a goal. 343 are using the Halo engine. I know what to expect, and a graphical showpiece is not on my agenda. Especially with titles like RYSE or THE ORDER on deck. The TC just like any hardcore fan of some series, got entranced by the Halo world and artstyle overlooking the graphics to a fault because yes, Halo gets better looking with each game and this will be a 1st generation next gen Halo title, but ultimately 343 are using that Halo graphics engine we all know and love, tweaked it for next gen, shooting for 60fps, and 1080p...it's still Halo.

Damn, you got that in before I finished my edit. But yeah, I agree: It does look artificial and does seem like something out of a holodeck simulation rather than a real, breathing world. But I still love the games despite that.

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#2  Edited By Wickerman777
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@SolidTy said:

343?

I don't see it.

Halo 4 was decent, but not the best looking console game by a huge margin. It was nice for Halo, but taking off the Halo goggles and really looking at it, even GeoW bests Halo 4.

It's still Halo in the end, with all of Halo's limitations with the funky character models, textures, and geometry. A Halo fan can go nuts thinking it's so great, but they aren't being objective because they see the best looking game of a series they adore. It will be the best looking Halo game, that's something at least.

Funky character models, textures, and geometry? Hmm, not things that ever seemed issues to me. I think Halo looks good for what it is but it's just always had an artstyle that keeps it outside of best graphics debates. It's cartoony and like I was saying before there's a sterility and emptiness to everything. The artstyle is clinical with no debris around and everything appears shiny and brand new and recently scrubbed. Halo environments don't look lived in and/or natural to me. What are suppose to be 1,000 year old monuments look to me like they were erected the previous day and I'm the first to be given the tour. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the franchise but I've always kinda wanted the art design to have a more convincing kind of realism to it. Think of burglars robbing a Covenent ship: "Grab anything that isn't bolted down". "Ughh, but it's all bolted down, boss". :)

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@Cloud_imperium said:

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Yet it will still be a blast to play on consoles... OMG NO WAY!

I love how people write shit like this in SystemWars, where it's completely okay to make Threads outlining virtually unnoticeable differences of PS4 vs XBONE multiplats. But when its a huge difference in PC vs Consoles multiplat, all of a sudden "BUT WHO CAREZ".

Save it for the General Gaming boards, otherwise it's extremely hypocritical and simply out of place for this forum sub-section.But yeah, best on PC. By a big margin. Just like most other games this gen, and the gap will only widen as PC tech flourishes.

Oh and, god damn...thread backfire. I know exactly what you were trying to do @Gue1. Stick with your low settings 20-30 fps shit PS4thPlace.

My problem with the pc crowd and their neverending "better on pc" rants is that they seem oblivious to the fact that personal computers differ. The game won't be better on pc, it'll be better on some pcs. There are plenty of pcs that won't be able to run it at all. It ain't even just a question of having great components in your pc, ya gotta keep up on maintenance as well. Unlike consoles there's a kzillion different problems that can leave even a powerful pc running like a sick dog.

That makes no sense. Not every Ps3 owner owns PS4 either. It's like saying that cross gen game (available on Xbox 360, X1, PS4 and PS3) doesn't have superior PS4 version because not everyone owns PS4 version, so Xbox One wins.

Ugghh, it's not like that at all. Every PS4 is the same. Not every pc is the same.

That was a strange argument and I feel only partially confident that I managed to successfully decipher what your intended point was.

You are still not making sense. Just like how not everyone owns PS4, not everyone has top of the line PC.

Ok, gonna have to explain yourself in a different way cuz I don't know what the hell you're asking me.

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@Cloud_imperium said:

@Wickerman777 said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@hrt_rulz01 said:

Yet it will still be a blast to play on consoles... OMG NO WAY!

I love how people write shit like this in SystemWars, where it's completely okay to make Threads outlining virtually unnoticeable differences of PS4 vs XBONE multiplats. But when its a huge difference in PC vs Consoles multiplat, all of a sudden "BUT WHO CAREZ".

Save it for the General Gaming boards, otherwise it's extremely hypocritical and simply out of place for this forum sub-section.But yeah, best on PC. By a big margin. Just like most other games this gen, and the gap will only widen as PC tech flourishes.

Oh and, god damn...thread backfire. I know exactly what you were trying to do @Gue1. Stick with your low settings 20-30 fps shit PS4thPlace.

My problem with the pc crowd and their neverending "better on pc" rants is that they seem oblivious to the fact that personal computers differ. The game won't be better on pc, it'll be better on some pcs. There are plenty of pcs that won't be able to run it at all. It ain't even just a question of having great components in your pc, ya gotta keep up on maintenance as well. Unlike consoles there's a kzillion different problems that can leave even a powerful pc running like a sick dog.

That makes no sense. Not every Ps3 owner owns PS4 either. It's like saying that cross gen game (available on Xbox 360, X1, PS4 and PS3) doesn't have superior PS4 version because not everyone owns PS4 version, so Xbox One wins.

Ugghh, it's not like that at all. Every PS4 is the same. Not every pc is the same.

That was a strange argument and I feel only partially confident that I managed to successfully decipher what your intended point was.

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@yanni1 said:

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lol once the game is out the digital foundry graphics comparisons will be interesting. It will put the delusional cows back in their place. WIll probably be loaded with frame drops too.

If the only difference between X1 and PS4 turns out to be 900p vs 1080p I'll be surprised. Seems to me X1 will have to sacrifice something else as well but time will tell I guess.

was talking about the pc version.

I know. I just went off into a somewhat related direction.

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Well, people go on and on about how Nintendo makes superior games to everyone else and yadda yadda yadda. What I see is a company remaking the same few games over and over again on outdated tech.

lol

A company remaking the same few games over and over again on outdated tech seems applicable to any console. At least on the Wii-U the games aren't all being outclassed on PC or so common that they are lost in a sea of good FPS games.

People already played Mario and Zelda 30 years ago. They need to move on ... or at least expand.

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@KungfuKitten said:

@Wickerman777 said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

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My problem with the pc crowd and their neverending "better on pc" rants is that they seem oblivious to the fact that personal computers differ. The game won't be better on pc, it'll be better on some pcs. There are plenty of pcs that won't be able to run it at all. It ain't even just a question of having great components in your pc, ya gotta keep up on maintenance as well. Unlike consoles there's a kzillion different problems that can leave even a powerful pc running like a sick dog.

This is a gaming forum. We discuss gaming PCs.

This is like me assuming every PS4 owner is plugging into an old 22" 400p CRTV.

Gaming pcs aren't equal either. But anyway, the latter part of my comment applies to any pc.

Time has caught up with you. There are more problems on my consoles than on my PC's.

The days of convenience, or long term price, or exclusives, or even power being arguments pro consoles are long gone. (Excluding Nintendo.)

Lol, if that's true you aren't using your PC much or it's one of the sick dogs I was referring to. If you haven't been fixing problems it isn't because they aren't there but because you're not very observant to problems when they show up. Wouldn't be surprised if your pc is running at 50% capacity right now. Never a month or two goes by before I have to look through tech forums to find the solution to some new obscure problem that has popped up on my pc. To even dare turn a pc on is to break a dll somewhere.

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@RoboCopISJesus said:

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My problem with the pc crowd and their neverending "better on pc" rants is that they seem oblivious to the fact that personal computers differ. The game won't be better on pc, it'll be better on some pcs. There are plenty of pcs that won't be able to run it at all. It ain't even just a question of having great components in your pc, ya gotta keep up on maintenance as well. Unlike consoles there's a kzillion different problems that can leave even a powerful pc running like a sick dog.

This is a gaming forum. We discuss gaming PCs.

This is like me assuming every PS4 owner is plugging into an old 22" 400p CRTV.

Gaming pcs aren't equal either. But anyway, the latter part of my comment applies to any pc.

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Well, people go on and on about how Nintendo makes superior games to everyone else and yadda yadda yadda. What I see is a company remaking the same few games over and over again on outdated tech.

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#10  Edited By Wickerman777
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@hrt_rulz01 said:

Yet it will still be a blast to play on consoles... OMG NO WAY!

I love how people write shit like this in SystemWars, where it's completely okay to make Threads outlining virtually unnoticeable differences of PS4 vs XBONE multiplats. But when its a huge difference in PC vs Consoles multiplat, all of a sudden "BUT WHO CAREZ".

Save it for the General Gaming boards, otherwise it's extremely hypocritical and simply out of place for this forum sub-section.But yeah, best on PC. By a big margin. Just like most other games this gen, and the gap will only widen as PC tech flourishes.

Oh and, god damn...thread backfire. I know exactly what you were trying to do @Gue1. Stick with your low settings 20-30 fps shit PS4thPlace.

My problem with the pc crowd and their neverending "better on pc" rants is that they seem oblivious to the fact that personal computers differ. The game won't be better on pc, it'll be better on some pcs. There are plenty of pcs that won't be able to run it at all. It ain't even just a question of having great components in your pc, ya gotta keep up on maintenance as well. Unlike consoles there's a kzillion different problems that can leave even a powerful pc running like a sick dog.