Ok, so we can all agree that realism in video games has exelled thanks to ageia, Havok ect. We see this demonstrated in such games as Half Life 2, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic and Crysis. What have we also seen, in games like Hitman (series) Saints Row Elder Scrolls Oblivion. We see lame, glitchy or stale physics, leaning more towards the ragdoll specifacations. And what is the cause of this? Animators getting lazyier by the second. All I am saying is that if you are gonna use an idependant physics source I.E. Endorphin, take a little more time to work out the bugs and test the game. This is a matter of commerce, and you cant go around selling games that are unfinshed.