@DragonfireXZ95: I have said :"and the few specific pc games that remains are not good (fot the most part)like in the golden era of pc gaming." That means that games made for pc nowadays aren't good compared to past pc games. Not that arent good in absolute.

I can make some example if you want.

Made with console in mind means that many games or series that in the past was specifically made only for pc now are multiplatform games, made with console players in mind, not just pc players. An example of a game made only with pc in mind is quake champion or escape from tarkov, but we can back to firts argument that these specific pc games are not good as in the past. They are bad?no, but inthe past they were more polished, more popular and let me say..they had more "soul"

I try to explain better what I think. In the past there was in my opinion more difference beetween pc games and console games. Not graphic or fps, but the gameplay.

On console you had tipical console games, like final fantasy, dmc, jrpg in general, resident evil and so on. On pc you had deus ex, civilization, baldur gate and so on.

Now the line is blurred, console games are on pc and pc games are on console(consolized also in the gameplay aspect, with some rare exeption)

So, pc have less pc games made only with pc in mind and generally not as good as in the past (again, with some exception, and obviously is my opinion).

The best gamnes released in recent years, in my opinion, dosent take great advantage on pc, because they arent games made with pc in mind, they are tipical console games.They are better on pc?for the most part they are slightly better but not to justify the negatives side of pc gaming.

In the end it all depends on what you consider a good game and what games you like personally and what advantage on these games can give a pc.

This year I liked dmc5 and sekiro, for these 2 games,for example, pc is useless, is just slightly better but not to justify the difference in price and the negative sides of pc(other argument)

The same is with dragon quest 11, and some of the best games I have played in recent years are console first party exlusive. I played also on my pc but the only great game thsat i feel i used that power is Witcher 3. On other pc games I had fun(path of exile,grim dawn, rimworld and stellaris) but the best experience that i had in recent years was on console,for exlusive titles but also for multiplat games that arent that better on pc(dragon quest, dmc and so on,generally japanese titlles).

In the past I feel like on pc therwas masterpieces, warcraft 3 and starcraft, quake and unreal, planetscape torment and baldur gate, deus ex,civlization 4, and many others. Now you can just buy a console and play 99% of the great games out nowadays. For me,these great games (I dont know in the future) are games that are just slightly better on pc or the same. All depends on what games you play and on what you consider great game.

@DragonfireXZ95: They aren't bad but in the past, in my opinion, there was more masterpieces targeted specifically to pc and they had more "soul". If you didnt have a pc in that time you missed some of the best of game of all times on pc. Now if you dont have a pc you miss less. You have to go on some niche to find some pc gems now.

Best recent games are not better on console no, but aren't significantly better on pc and sometimes I dont know how to justify my 1080ti if some of the best recent games I have played are console exclusive or are just slightly better on my 2000 euro system vs 400 euro console. Dont know. last two good games i played are dmc5 and sekiro, I have both on my pc and ps4pro. I have put them side by side, and the'is differences yes, they go (sekiro with a mod) 120 fps, but i find them enjoiable on console also. Just two example but for many games is the same and when ps5 go live i dont know if I upgrade my pc or I'll go full console with play station and switch. Maybe Im too old and 25 years of pc gaming are enough and its time to go back to console like when I was a child:P

ps Pc is good for indie games but many of them now are on console like Switch, with some exeption like Rimworld and risk of rain 2 and a few others. Strategy games i was in love with them, but I liked more civilization 4 vs civ5 and 6, the same with recent total war games, and so on. Therare also other things to consider but I dont want to make a long post now:)

Many games nowadays are made with console in mind, and the few specific pc games that remains are not good (fot the most part)like in the golden era of pc gaming. Many pc gamer in this forum probably weren't pc gamers in that time. If someone doesn't care to much about fps and slightly better graphic and want a more plug and play experience, better go to console, if not pc. If you are like me (videogames fanatic:p), you go for console and pc and somtimes you buy also the same game on console and pc and you can speak objectively about the differences

last release note https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1075674/geforce-drivers/official-416-34-game-ready-whql-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-10-11-18-/

But some problems remains, nvidia having more problems in recent times, they have to fight also with windows 10 that upgrade every 6 months. Its not the end of the world guys, but this is the reason that consoles are,often, more plug and play than a pc.

And when I speak about optimization I speak about games but also os and drivers. Consoles is fixed hardware, is a cons for some reasons, but is also a pro (the pro is more plug and play that what a pc can be).

Last hotfix https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1078106/geforce-drivers/announcing-geforce-hotfix-driver-416-64-released-10-26-18-/

• Far Cry 5: Flicker during gameplay
• Monster Hunter World: Corruption is seen when Volume Rendering Quality is set to highest
• The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt: Flicker during gameplay
• Shadow of the Tomb Raider: Improves game stability

add to this the variables of different hardaware, motherboard, bios, chipset drivers, program installed and running on a pc, windows that sometimes is better to format for having a clean system. And geforce experience that give program like DDU(display driver uninstall) a reason to exist:P

For un-optimization I dont intend just the fps (that will be higher than a console or in worse scenario 60 fps on par (ex. fighting games) but the stuttering, frametime issues, some drivers problem (latest nvidia driver give witcher 3 flickering problems on some textures for example, some drivers have problem with gsyinc) or a windows upgrade that can give some problems. Its the nature of pc, the "open" platform that give advantage but have also some cons, inerently. Consoles, with their closed system nature, are more plug and play for this. You can solve the "poblems" when they occur on pc, but this make pc gaming less plug and play. It can go all well but somtimes can happen to have to trobleshooting something, for the more variables of pc (os,drivers, games, system maintance )

cost\persomance ratio on console you get what you pay, and games are made,generally, to run at their best on the hardware of said console. the games (turning back on the topic) that are mich better on pc or desigend specifically for pc are less and less.

Exlusives games are supported by the consoles manifactures generally because, if third party (less now), they are system seller(=games that stand out) or, in case of firts party, they make the games with internal studios and they want them to be over the competition in the respective genre. Quality speaking is the reason why firts party exlusives are often betten than multiplatform games of the same genre.

Pc exlusives is another argument (is the argument of the topic btw:P) but are made for different reasons (control scheme or require more power for that kind of gameplay). The topic says that these games are less now or dont have the quality that thay had some time ago. And i agree with the op.

I don't know if I get it but I see like this. Console exlusives games have to be( generally) unique or better than multiplat,because they are made to sells consoles. If nintendo or sony games, in rispective genres, have the same quality of multiplatform games, they dont sells consoles for them (in theory, some games are worse I know, but many exlusives games, in the genre they became, are great games).

If 90% of games are made with multiplatform in mind, pc take the big hit here because i can't make phisics, gameplay or graphic that can't run on a console. Game is the same. The advantage that I can have on pc, in some games where it makes a great difference and is optimezed, are fps and loading time. On graphic we are on diminush return now, we don't have the leaps that we had in the past, many games have the same graphic on pc and console, little differences. Japanese games expecially. Nier automata, nioh, dragon quest 11, same graphic, but somtimes more problems on pc(less plug and play experience). I have read disgaea 5, out on pc now, is UNcomplete version, 1 year later, same graphic of switch (ps4 is better than both). Yakuza 0, same game and graphic, on pc can have some problem. On console you know that games are designed with that system (or that generation of consoles) in mind.

Im not saying that console is better but Im sayng that console and pc both have pros and cons. Its just the reality. the choice, if someone have to choice beetween pc and consoles is subjective and personal. If you ask me "I buy a pc or a console?" I'll ask you" what games you play?" and then I ask you also if you like to game without any effort, without doing nothing to your machine. Than I'll say you if pc or consoles is better for you.

So the beter experience on pc depends from the game itself and optimization. if someone play 90% of mass market multiplat games, indie games that now are also on consoles for the most part, and exlusives console game, why choose a pc, that is less plug and play, have shitty windows upgrade every 6 months and nvidia has stopped to make "perfect" driver? and also spend a little more than a console, because if you buy a pc with 500 eu\usd, you dont have any value and in one year is trash.

So, its okey to play on pc if someone like exlusives game of pc, like paradox games and so on, or games, that are designed with pc in mind, but I wouldn't say pc are just console but better.

For me console and pc are not comparable in many ways but I try to be obejctive in the answer.

Console pros:

Standard hardware with a closed system software that make inerenthly the consoles more plug and play and majority of game optimezed for said hwardare, that are cheaper than pc. Ratio hardware\cost is favorable for the console.

exlusives games(the same pro is for pc exlusive games but with some difference), and if you like some of them, you buy a console for them because every good titles that you like is untradable with others ( you can't say "ah you play persona 5, you could just play dragon quest 11 on pc" ). Firts party titles, expecially sony and nintendo, are generally quality games and often unique experiences (astro bot for ps4 or splatoon 2 for nintendo, just 2 examples)

They have great market share with the same standard hawdare,so many games are made with them in mind, with pc the mass is on medium,low pc, you can't make a game with a 1080ti in mind. Yes engines scaling but you can't say that one game is optimized for a 1080ti (expecially with nvidia "problem" with latest drivers and windows 10 that seems to want to fight gsyinc). More you spend on pc more the ratio cost\optimization fall off. If you dont play specific pc games and want a more plug and play experience than pc console is favorable. the same is if the games you play cant benefit from pc (if you like bindinc of isaac, nier automata, hollow knight and so on, the pc power is useless)

Pc has pro and cons but you asked about consoles:P

Subjective speaking, I play on pc for exlusive pc games and on console for exclusive console games or for games that dont get any advantage from a pc or little advantage (and in this case I like them more on console for plug and play:P). basically i play on pc only if its exlusive to pc(4x and strategy games) or if the game have huge advantage over console version.

So I play stellaris,total war warhammer 2, age of wonders 3, rimowrld, doom, on pc. Mario,zelda,xenoblade, binding of isaac, hollow knight,splaton 2 on switch. Blood borne, persona 5, nier automata, dragon quest 11, astro bot, last of us, the last guardian, disgaea 5, nioh, monster hunter on ps 4 pro. Just some example.

@Zarya for me games designed for pc gamers are quake champion, escape from tarkov, crusader kings2, rimworld, eve online, and so on. Nowadays i dont see specific pc games the same caliber they had in the past, not many. we had masterpieces designed for pc, now dont know. Overwatch is good, but multyplayer games are different, and the most famous and esport centric games are "old"concept\games , like dota 2,counter strike and starcraft 2.

I also posted facts about why games that are not pc exlusives can be a problem for pc gamers. Not awalys, but often.

@zaryia: It impact pc gaming because if you make a game eith only pc in mind you can go further with graphic, phisics and so on. Because you dont have to keep in consideration the console market. In the "old days" was like this. Nowadays vast majority of few games that are made with pc in mind are indie games that dont have the funding to give to pc hardware what they'd deserve.

Flip side, many consoles games are now on pc( mainly japanese) and japanese game have often these 2 or 3 problem: they dosen'tlook better or significantly better on pc,they use Denuvo drm, they have often some problems on pc.

If you think that fallout 76 or civilization 6(a mass market 4x also on ipad)or battlefield 1 are pc games I think you are just a recent pc gamer. If you post numbers of metacritic I dont think you undertand that every good game is an unique game untradable with other.

One important thing I have learned reading this forum: many of the more elitist pc gamer are just recent pc gamer or relatively recent pc gamer. People that have gamed on pc since many years knows the real pro and cons of each platform.

Bra4ever nailed exatly this.

There's also on console esport, in fighting games. On pc is more popular because of sponsor(heartstone is an esport, hots, the low skill ceiling moba, is an esport) and same games has high skill ceiling, but in the past the esport was real esport, not just money investmennt ala overwatch(good game but not the high skill ceiling fps).

Pc gain more money on service and microtransation games, like mobile. Betesda is going bad quality and all their game are changed because of console(beacase console sells). Larian is fantastic but they make console version also now. Firaxis is worse than the past, see civlization, civ 6 is also an ipad game, after civ 4 they went down.I liked ed creative assembly more in the past, less arcade games.

Guys some pc players maybe are new, but its not so easy to speak console vs pc. I play since atari 2600(firts console) and since commodere 64, my firts "pc" and now i play on ps4, swich, and a pc with 1080ti. The strange thing is that in last two years i use pc just a paradox games machine (stellaris) or 4x machine and i rediscovered the joy of a console because i was a pc gamer only from 2003 to 2016.