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#1 BigdogTwentyTwo
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http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

10 years in and Microsoft has still yet to make a profit on the xbox or ever win a generation.

The PS4 is decimating the xbone in sales

Microsoft investors are demanding that Microsoft dump the xbox brand, because its been nothing but a money sink

No matter how much money you think Microsoft as a whole has, they wont continue to keep waisting money on the xbox division.

Yet some still think Playstation is in a much worse position

The xbox is on its last legs and frankly, it would be good for all gamers if the xbox finally went into obscurity.

-Rememeber RROD. Greatest electronic failure in the history man kind. Microsoft KNOWINGLY released faulty hardware upon the millions of RROD victims. Was awful.

-Microsoft with the 360 also introduced charging for basic online gameplay....

But what was really awful about that was that online gameplay was basically the only main feature of xbox live and it was hidden behind a pay wall fee

(At least current PSN+ offers far more value and offers MORE then just online gamplay)

-Microsoft with the 360 also introduced the DLC money cash grubbing craze.

-Microsoft with the 360 introduced such generic cookie cutter cinematic movie type linear shootbang franchises such as Gears and Halo

But when you look at the last gen, Microsoft relied mostly on multi-plats, which by the way, that wont work this time because multi-platform games will always be superior on PS4.

- Over 90% of the 360 library consisted of multi-plats that were on PS3....the rest of the 360 library consisted of nothing but repetitive, boring generic, lackluster sequels of Gears/Halo/Forza/Fable rehashed to death on damn near yearly cycles....oh throw in some obscure Kinect and XBLA titles....and that was about it....

- So all in all, Microsoft with the 360 brought with it the attitude that exclusives dont matter and quality isnt important.

The xbox 360 has had one of the worst pathetic exclusive libraries of all time.

-Microsoft has done much more HARM to the industry over all, and thats still not even counting what they have currently "brought to the table" with their pathetic and anti-consumer xbone machine...We will get into that in a little

When it came to eveything that truly mattered to gamers the PS3 was king. The variety, quality, and diversity of PS3 exclusives simply could not be touched....Ok, here we go...

-We already know how much of an utter joke the xbone is....its the same price yet 50% weaker then a PS4....gaming is a secondary focus on the xbone.....kinect is still a spy cam...etc

-Then there is the fact Microsoft even tried to take away consumer rights. If they had had their way, always online and DRM would be the standard.....so thank god even more now for Sony and the PS4! That was COMPETITION AT PLAY.

-So yeah, like I was saying, honestly, it would be much better for us all if the xbox brand just died off or was written off into obscurity....Microsoft doesnt have a clue what they are doing and they have always been viciously anti-consumer and anti-gamer (proven again and again by their actions)

-Plus all the Microsoft shills, and all the FUD they try to spread.....and all the BS politics Microsoft has brought into gaming etc...Microsoft is responsible for everything thats ugly in gaming....Microsoft needs to be exterminated already...Somebody else needs to step in in Microsoft's place OR Sony should be left to do their thing while Nintendo does theirs...PS1 and PS2 eras were some of the best ever and those eras had little to no competition....

-The PS4 has had no competition from the xbone and the PS4 is still the best gaming console ever....etc...."competition" hasnt been a good thing....it sounds good on paper but in reality it hasnt been the case...Saying the xbox brand is good for competition is like saying Hitler was good for the competition he "offered" to Europe etc

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#2  Edited By BigdogTwentyTwo
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@ladyblue said:

@melonfarmerz said:

@bigdogtwentytwo said:

The PS4 is more then 50% more powerful then the xbone. The PS4 is way more capable. You cant lump the PS4 in with the dissapointment that is the xbone. PS4>>>>>xbone.

I also DARE you to find me a 400$ PC that has comparable specs to a PS4

Power per dollar NOTHING touches the PS4

A 400$ PS4 will godzilla crush any 400$ PC in raw power

never mind the fact that due to the closed nature of consoles and optimization, a console with weaker power can out perform stronger PCs etc

So PS4 WILL be able to compete with PCs for a long time

PS4 is amazing. Its time to admit that. Just look at Infamous (best looking game ever) and its only scratching the surface of PS4. Things will get better on PS4

PS4 also has GPUGPU and hUMA capability which NO current PC has, so PS4 will be very future proof (even more so)

Youre going to be sorely disappointed if youre expecting PC games to look much better then PS4 games.

Hell, the GPU you need to max out Watch Dogs costs 400$ alone. LOL thats already the full price of the PS4. SO mega fail

Plus we all know Ubisoft games are unoptomized pieces of shit on PC. Dont expect too much playing it on your PC that no one cares about hermit

PS4 is the best bet for convenience/price/power

I've seen this post a solid 5 times from different users. Stop creating alts man...

I like how you think a PS4 is 400 dollars and that's it. You pay 60 a year for online and have way more expensive games. It's much more fair to compare a 700 dollar PC due to value over 3 years. And in that respect, PS4 gets destroyed.

And LOOOOOOL you just said "Ubisoft games are unoptomized pieces of shit on PC." Considering if you clicked on the link, a dev said midrange 250 dollar GPUs max out Watch Dogs, you're admitting that even running unoptimized garbage, a 250 dollar GPU runs a far graphically superior version at much better resolutions and frame rates.

@ladyblue This is why, in reply to your earlier comments, PC gamers are justified in taking jabs and thinking they're elite. Because of ignorant, delusional posters like this.

That person is bonkers... you can't put us all in the same category. I see where you're coming from, but acting like him doesn't make any of the pc players look any better.

@ladyblue said:

@melonfarmerz said:

@bigdogtwentytwo said:

The PS4 is more then 50% more powerful then the xbone. The PS4 is way more capable. You cant lump the PS4 in with the dissapointment that is the xbone. PS4>>>>>xbone.

I also DARE you to find me a 400$ PC that has comparable specs to a PS4

Power per dollar NOTHING touches the PS4

A 400$ PS4 will godzilla crush any 400$ PC in raw power

never mind the fact that due to the closed nature of consoles and optimization, a console with weaker power can out perform stronger PCs etc

So PS4 WILL be able to compete with PCs for a long time

PS4 is amazing. Its time to admit that. Just look at Infamous (best looking game ever) and its only scratching the surface of PS4. Things will get better on PS4

PS4 also has GPUGPU and hUMA capability which NO current PC has, so PS4 will be very future proof (even more so)

Youre going to be sorely disappointed if youre expecting PC games to look much better then PS4 games.

Hell, the GPU you need to max out Watch Dogs costs 400$ alone. LOL thats already the full price of the PS4. SO mega fail

Plus we all know Ubisoft games are unoptomized pieces of shit on PC. Dont expect too much playing it on your PC that no one cares about hermit

PS4 is the best bet for convenience/price/power

I've seen this post a solid 5 times from different users. Stop creating alts man...

I like how you think a PS4 is 400 dollars and that's it. You pay 60 a year for online and have way more expensive games. It's much more fair to compare a 700 dollar PC due to value over 3 years. And in that respect, PS4 gets destroyed.

And LOOOOOOL you just said "Ubisoft games are unoptomized pieces of shit on PC." Considering if you clicked on the link, a dev said midrange 250 dollar GPUs max out Watch Dogs, you're admitting that even running unoptimized garbage, a 250 dollar GPU runs a far graphically superior version at much better resolutions and frame rates.

@ladyblue This is why, in reply to your earlier comments, PC gamers are justified in taking jabs and thinking they're elite. Because of ignorant, delusional posters like this.

That person is bonkers... you can't put us all in the same category. I see where you're coming from, but acting like him doesn't make any of the pc players look any better.

You know who youre talking to right,

MelonFarmerz is that sterotypical delusional PC extremist

I mean he wants to add the cost of PSN+ yearly

While ignoring the yearly costs of Steam and PC part upgrades etc

Never mind that PSN+ itself offers just as many great deals and gives away free games

Youre right that he is bad

And my basic point was just about hardware so he was reaching to begin with

At least we can agree that what I say is true, correct?

Im not bonkers. I didnt say anything thats false...and im sure you agree with what I said

Youre a good poster and Im a good poster.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Confirmed by Ubisoft

The reality seems to be, chumlings, the PS4/XboxOne is unable to match mid end pc, let alone a high end one.

The PS4 is more then 50% more powerful then the xbone. The PS4 is way more capable. You cant lump the PS4 in with the dissapointment that is the xbone. PS4>>>>>xbone.

I also DARE you to find me a 400$ PC that has comparable specs to a PS4

Power per dollar NOTHING touches the PS4

A 400$ PS4 will godzilla crush any 400$ PC in raw power

never mind the fact that due to the closed nature of consoles and optimization, a console with weaker power can out perform stronger PCs etc

So PS4 WILL be able to compete with PCs for a long time

PS4 is amazing. Its time to admit that. Just look at Infamous (best looking game ever) and its only scratching the surface of PS4. Things will get better on PS4

PS4 also has GPUGPU and hUMA capability which NO current PC has, so PS4 will be very future proof (even more so)

Youre going to be sorely disappointed if youre expecting PC games to look much better then PS4 games.

Hell, the GPU you need to max out Watch Dogs costs 400$ alone. LOL thats already the full price of the PS4. SO mega fail

Plus we all know Ubisoft games are unoptomized pieces of shit on PC. Dont expect too much playing it on your PC that no one cares about hermit

PS4 is the best bet for convenience/price/power

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#4  Edited By BigdogTwentyTwo
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@Kinthalis said:

@rationalxboxfan said:

@scottpsfan14 said:
@04dcarraher said:

Again you do not understand what you copied and pasted eh?

Having a low level API gives you more control of the cpu and gpu usage however you do not magically gain more performance then what it can physically process to begin with. With low level API on the gpu front can allow you to allocated specific processors and percentages to process certain workloads physics or have them work on the UI etc. All graphics API overhead is done by the cpu.

Most of the 2x performance on consoles is comparing against the old direct x 9 and on cpu overhead. And again low level API like Mantle is another joke when you have the cpu processing power to process through direct x's overhead to begin with. Direct x 12 is another API that's suppose to lower the cpu overhead and give more control of the hardware too. Multiple examples in the past with comparable gpu's performing on par or better then the 360 did even with direct x, and this new generation is no different Seeing PS4 slacking in BF4, Tombraider, AC4, Watchdogs etc. Ignoring BF4 is funny since it proves at least one thing the consoles hardware is not up to the tasks at hand.

Fact is that you dont want to believe is that Both consoles suck on the grand scale of things using a weak cpu , with at best a mid ranged pc gpu. Time to pull up your drawers and accept that these new consoles are not going to see massive gains as seen before on older generations.

DirectX 11 has similar GPU access as DX9. Draw calls are similar also. As for the bolded, No you do not. This is true. But, when a, lets say 2TF GPU is using DirectX, It will never EVER reach the 2TF max performance mark. In fact, it's almost half according to developers. GNM on PS4 will allow you to have full hardware utilization of the 1.84 TF GPU. That's the diffrerence. You seem to think that more GPU control = no performance increases. A low level API on PS4 offeres more than just up to 100x draw calls. For instance, with GNM, the developer can utilize hardware tessellation or any hardware module on a GPU more efficiently with direct code access without having to compile DirectX code. This results in better hardware chip performance. DirectX is clumsy. Even DX11. DX12 is less so, but devs will hardly ever get the chance to optimize way low down on a PC multiplat. It's different hardware. That makes a huge impact on game development. What I am really saying is that Battlefield 4 and most other multiplats can not give special low level treatment to one platform because they have to cater for other platforms with their budget. PS4 in brute force is nothing compared to PC's. Agreed. But strategic coding does a lot for a game, and when game engines are written for these next gen consoles in mind, we will see some brilliant looking exclusive games in future. Maybe not a difference to the extent of what we saw with the PS3, but some impressive jump none the less.

Great post. Very well said.

Just one little thing haha

"PS4 in brute force is nothing compared to PC's."

To be fair, theres only a very small percentage of PC gamers who have high end PCs capable of much more power then the PS4...

But like you said it wont matter either way, because PC games have to be scaled back to account for low-end, meduim settings etc

Important thing to note is that the PS4 for the 400$ price its at offers insane graphics. You wont be able to find a 400$ PC with comparable specs to a PS4 for a very long time

Plus regardless the PS4 games will always be much better optimized while targeting a much higher base line i.e there are no weaker PS4s that need lower settings accomodated for like with all PC configs. There is only one version of the PS4 and its high spec and will be targeted for always etc

You are just one pathetic, clueless, trolling, sony fanboy.

The total package.

He said he is an xbox fan or at least claimed to be one. Its actually refreshing that he isnt in denial over the xbox like others are *cough* But go ahead and point out anything he said thats wrong. Its easy to say someone is trolling or clueless without ever backing it up. Id like to hear your "reasoning." Is it because he said something nice about the PS4. Deep down inside im sure that you know that hes right. Im a long time lurker, I know what youre about. You wont admit it. Youre known by many here as a delusional xbot/PC extremist radical. Thats pathetic. Youre little one liners are pathetic. Youre whole shtick is pathetic.

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@04dcarraher said:
@rationalxboxfan said:

@SambaLele said:

@scottpsfan14 said:
@SambaLele said:

@CrownKingArthur said:
@SambaLele said:

@CrownKingArthur: Well, honestly I intended that to be an innocent little joke on what he said, not on him.

i thought you raised the little joke in quite a harmless way. to be fair mate, the way you did it was unprecedented.

“Blessed is he who has learned to laugh at himself, for he shall never cease to be entertained” (John Powell)

Well, if it's unprecedented for SW, then this board sure has changed. I've been out for quite some time, but little jokes like these where quite normal... and we'd just laugh and go on with it, harmless as that. I see that jokes are basically on systems now. Maybe people are more sensitive, maybe I went too far. If you are offended, I apologise. No harm intended, truly.

Woah. Chill. I'm no where near offended lol. Gawd. What do you take me for?

Great. It's just that CrownKingArthur made it seem that way, I guess. Maybe I should apologise to him instead and send some flowers. Anyway, back on topic, and going along with your other posts: there's also that talk of AMD's Mantle optimizing performance a lot on both X1 and PS4:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/03/28/amd-ready-to-provide-mantle-support-for-ps4-and-xbox-one-could-push-performance-of-both-further/

"According to the report by PC Watch Robison mentioned that consoles have a fixed architecture unlike PCs, but can be extended via software. Mantle can be used for both sides (PS4 and Xbox One), but its use will depend on Sony and Microsoft. Robison continued by saying that for now everything is at a potential level, but the performance of the two consoles could be raised one step further if it’ll be realized."

Could be significant, if DX12 is any hint of what optimization can render, as it's expected to improve performance by 12% on the X1: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/179885-developer-claims-ps4-will-always-be-stronger-than-the-xbox-one

"This suggests that DirectX 12 might deliver a general six-to-12% performance improvement over DX11 for Microsoft’s console, but that’s not the same as making the SRAM cache larger or improving the memory bandwidth. These are all noteworthy improvements, but they don’t change the fact that MS is scrambling. The company has increased CPU and GPU clocks, announced a new API, and may be considering giving developers back the GPU horsepower currently reserved for Kinect, all because it got its bets wrong in the first place about how much horsepower it needed to compete toe-to-toe with Sony."


Infamous looks better then every PC game currently in existence


Are you so sure?

Is this a joke question?

That compressed pic of Infamous alone looks a metric ton better then that pic of Sleeping Dogs on Ultra settings. If you cant see the differences then theres no point in talking to you. Youre "that" kind of pc gamer who only sees what he wants to see. Confirmation bias/delusion at its finest.