@deviltaz35: So... What you doing here? You are playing a game or talking about a game you clearly never liked... I don't understand. I love this characters, I love their flaws, their human nature. There is only another game at the same level for me... TWD episodes season 1... No game cames close to those two...

@kuchiki-ness: How do you know if a person understand this game or not:

"abby gets her revenge and gets away"

The major point is that no one gets away in their path of revenge. Both Ellie and Abby lose everything... except their lives...

"You say they are the same?"

Same coin, different sides... Both lose a loved one, both seek revenge, Abby kills Joel, Ellie kills Owen... Both lose everything in the way, and both let the other one live...

The major irony of the game is that you are playing the Abby that people hate about in the Ellie campaign, because all the hate that Ellie has to Abby is the same that Abby had to Joel...

Damn... I really like this game...

@kuchiki-ness: "Abby was excruciating to play..."

In the beginning yes... But then it goes better and better...

"who cares about her and their friends"

I cared about Owen. One of the most human person in the game.

"10 hours of gameplay will not make me care for them after what they did in the first place!"

I thought the same... But things changed along the way...

"game of thrones but even worse"

No, not even close...

"its broken"

Clearly... one line of thoughts... not everyone thinks the same... on the contrary...

"here Ellie was the bad one, Joel got what it deserved and Abby was the good one, really¡?"

So much wrong... Ellie and Abby are the same, just living on the opposite sides of the barricade. Joel has a dark path, but his outcome is the result of love, love for Ellie. So in my eyes, and in this game, he is a victim.

@daidochus: 1 - If you need to ask you didn´t saw the scene properly...

2 - What's make Ellies case so special? If you can reply this question you will have the reply to yours...

@Pierce_Sparrow: Well... As a person who loved TLOU1, who is also a game that´s on the top of my gaming experiences, all I can say about this game is that is awesome.

This has nothing to do with liking the first game or not, is about caring and empathy. If you gain empathy about Abby the last part of the game is something that will live with you forever. If don´t the game is not the same. I can undertand that.

@kahnkane: Empathy is not in everyone...

@deviltaz35: Both are awesome... 1º - From hate/insensibility to love... 2º - From love to loss/hate/revenge to acceptance/grief/redemption...

@RaveNRolla: "basically giving up the whole revenge plan because she unknowingly killed an innocent unborn"

Actually... She doesn't give up nothing... She doesn't know where is Abby... no more leads...

To me this game is a masterpiece. Technically is an outstanding achievement. Gameplay (if you like the first one) is great, ambience and voice acting topnotch... All remains is the story, to me it is very good.

I thought I would have no doubts about nothing... I was wrong... and that´s good writing.