@mattbbpl: You've explained that Roe v Wade has to do with bodily autonomy, instead of financial responsibility, and like.. that's cool and all, but I'd assume you'd actually address the argument instead of defaulting to how the law currently works.

That would be like arguing against abortion because "it's illegal" (in a country where it is)
I'm sorry, that isn't a good reason (Though I'm also at the point where I don't think there are any real good pro-life arguments. I certainly haven't come across any so far.)

Btw, that guy you argued with started out with a dumb as hell premise, so I agree with you there. Obviously a man shouldn't have a say in whether or not a woman gets an abortion.

Okay. But why?

Let's goooo

@appariti0n: Hmm alright, cheers. Appreciate you checking, I'm still looking around too and can't come up with much. I do have the rankings for her under the name "Craig Telfer" on the TFRRS website, but I don't think those numbers are the ones being referenced in regards to being ranked 200th etc (unless the 200th ranking is a more "overall" rank, which is what I'm suspecting)

@appariti0n: Do you happen to have a link for where she ranked competing against men? The website you linked doesn't seem to go to a source that has it listed (unless it's on that LetsRun website? But that's behind a paywall)

Wikipedia doesn't have a source for that claim either. I'm not really doubting it exactly, but I'd like to actually see it to get a better idea of what we're talking about.

@appariti0n: This is exactly why I was trying to end the conversation (because you clearly can't read, or simply choose not to)

Yes, Bailer doesn't dominate. I said that awhile back when talking to you:

"As for trans men, I'd say that Schuyler Bailar is quite good.I wouldn't say he's "dominating", but I wouldn't really say the trans women you've mentioned are dominating either."

Your very last statement is hilarious though, and shows you haven't even researched the trans women you are using as examples for "dominating". I guess placing seventh is "dominating" in your eyes though, so whatever.

@appariti0n: You said to name one example of a trans man that could compete against cis men, and I did. I'm not interested in you moving the goal posts, or continuing this conversation any further.

And yes, I looked up the trans women you mentioned in the initial post I responded to. I still do not see what is so impressive about them (which I stated... in my very first response to you, and you chose to ignore)

cheers.

@appariti0n: The link I shared (where he got multiple season bests) was for swimming in the men's division.

@appariti0n: Okay if swimming counts I'll state the example I already used: https://web.archive.org/web/20190607003141if_/https://www.gocrimson.com/sports/mswimdive/2018-19/bios/bailar_schuyler_t0zu?view=bio

^This guy got a ton of season best times. Seems like he's pretty good to me.

Can you inform me of the fighting that women did to make things "fair" over the last few decades? I'm a bit ignorant on this subject.

@appariti0n: Does swimming count as needing strength or speed? (edit: Didn't see the post from Maroxad. That's a good example, and one I hadn't heard before)

You'd be right that there aren't many trans men to choose from in sports, just like there aren't many trans women in sports.

You can't just hand waive away cis women that are beating trans women as being "exceptional" because by your logic, those very same cis women shouldn't be allowed to compete because of how exceptional they are. We need to make sports fair, after all.