@chucknorris86 @carlrhxphn @PHOENIXZERO Not to mention, the PS3 was more powerful than the 360 this gen, and that didn't equal sales or better games either.

@tipton_bradley @colt_a @GOGOHeadray @lovelynips Nice Tipton. That's what people say when they don't have intelligent conversation to fall back on. This goes way over your head, so now I've "drank the kool-aid".

Again, if you don't like the Xbox's policies, you could have bought a PS4 and stopped whining about it.

This is literally the equivalent of PC users whining about Apple's policies for iOS, even though they have a Windows PC right there to use as well. For cheaper even. Just shut up and get a Windows PC then.

@lovelynips @colt_a @tipton_bradley @GOGOHeadray You know what drives companies to make better products? Demand.

If people don't have fast enough internet but want products that use internet, they bitch, a company responds because they want to monetize that demand. Guess what? People that wouldn't have good internet before said product created demand, now have fast internet. For more than just that product.

This is EXACTLY how technology innovates and pushes forward.

@hateyourface @colt_a @lovelynips @GOGOHeadray You're talking about Gaikai? I beta tested that, and tried it again after the test. Its really bad. Streaming old games on a cloud DOES NOT equate to the Cloud Based features the Xbox One was talking about.

This is the type of poor education that caused this to happen. People can't discern online streaming of old games from an authenticated shared library. Sony has no plans to have a family sharing type feature, because they have zero DRM and the physical disc is still running around. They can't. These are two different things entirely that are being talked about.

@tipton_bradley @GOGOHeadray @colt_a @lovelynips If you didn't like it, buy a PS4 and stop whining about it. There's room for a physical and digital cloud based platform. This is America. No one is FORCING you into buying an Xbox One.

@GOGOHeadray @colt_a @lovelynips Really? How many people go to other platforms for gaming than Steam on the PC? You only use GoG for games that are insanely old. Especially for new games? Few. Extremely few. Hell, most the time if they decide to get a physical disc, during install it launches Steam to register it there. Because Steam *IS* PC gaming. Pretty much a handful of MMOs don't need Steam. Even then, they have a Steam based launcher too.

The competition would be from the developers / publishers themselves. You don't need multiple platforms to compete digitally. Only the publishers and developers to compete with themselves. Right now, they are too busy competing with GameStop, who limits what they can do because GameStop doesn't want to compete with its own used game market. Again, its working just fine on Steam. And with a small thing like a once a day check, they even improved on it with things like Family Sharing (something that Steam doesn't even have, and it still gets high praise).

The point is, there is room for both. Let the PS4 outsell the Xbox 3 to 1 at the start. Just like Valve said if you don't like Steam, move on to non-valve games. Guess what? Once people realized the game quality, and how great Steam was...everyone hopped aboard that train. Same thing would likely have happened with Xbox One with the exception of those that truly don't have good internet like deployed soldiers.

@lovelynips @colt_a @GOGOHeadray There's no reason why there can't be a digital cloud platform for games, and a physical platform for games.

Let the PS4 be the physical one. If you don't have good internet or your in the military, or need to trade in your game for 7 dollars at Gamestop, get a PS4, if you want to see all the features digital can offer, get an Xbox.

But no, the internet can't accept that. Everything has to be a war. There can only be one console. And now that's what we got. One console with two different names.

@GOGOHeadray @colt_a @hateyourface Gaming technology encompasses a lot more than games. Steam is an amazing peice of technology that single handedly saved PC gaming.

And I know it wasn't based off of the interviews at E3. Microsoft failed PR hard at E3, but there were plenty that talked about the feature and it was mentioned to be that way several times. So I take what I was told at face value. Just like everyone else went crazy about DRM. They heard it from MS and took it at face value. You didn't see flocks of people saying "well no, they could patch it out or something!".

@GOGOHeadray @colt_a @lovelynips If it was viewed as worse to publishers, EA wouldn't have flocked to partner with Microsoft. Microsoft wouldn't also be doubling the PS4's exclusives this gen either.

Physical disc lending and trading is the worst sinkhole of money when it comes to publishers. When the other option is "well go to sony or nintendo with zero control" they would have stuck with the Xbox.

@jack00 They really are. Look at all these Sony Fanbois around when that same company put Rootkits on people's computers without asking. Falsely advertised the PS3 with OtherOS and Linux but then instantly took it away. Sued someone for moding their PS3 for personal use, citing that you don't really own your own PS3...and then end up having the worst security hole of all time, giving away personal information of millions of customers.

Gamers really are pathetic. They forgive too easily.