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#1  Edited By curtisszmania
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@Toxic-Seahorse said:

Have you ever looked for a CS or IT job? Literally thousands of postings. I guess it does depends on where you live, but I'm gonna need more than a youtube video to convince me IT and CS is dying.

@comp_atkins said:

learn to code ( i hate that word btw.. "code". when did programming become coding? ) hardware rather than software

MUCH smaller pool of potential competitors for jobs

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Are the number of technology jobs not increasing at the same rate as the number of people who have the skills to fill them?

Here is a youtube video I found a bit scary, but perhaps there is alot of truth in what he is saying. Has it become over saturated with grads and people looking for work?

The scary part of this is STEM jobs have been pushed quite aggressively here in the US so the bubble burst seems appropriate. But I wonder if we are seeing a contraction in actual software jobs (because there is more code and open source tools developers can use rather than another body), or is the number of those looking for work far out-passing the number of jobs in the field and increasing at a much greater rate.

https://youtu.be/rLGCpRPwtj0

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Well I'm someone that started working as an IT professional around the year 2000. I can only tell you this, if you're someone that does this kind of stuff for fun in your free time, you will always find IT jobs. Of course when I was starting it was a golden age for It professionals, but when I started working, I knew more than about tech than my whole departement and a lot of people worked there for years.

Of course, excluding 'the enthousiasts' like myself or whatever you want to call them. I mean who else was going to solve the real problems. Sure they did a lot of explaining but IT is not you clear cut law book with rules and text to memorize. It's problem solving, trouble shooting but there's also creativity especially in coding, which in the end will create a lot of problems again.

I'm sure today you will have more people that study in this field and because of that there will be more quality available to employers but that won't change the fact that enthousiasts will always be the core of the business.

If you're not an enthousiast, I can only give you this advice, find something else to do. I'm not saying that non enthousiasts don't have a place in this sector and that they cannot build careers around them but if the competition has increased this much, (I'm not working anymore in the business for quite some time now so I wouldn't really know about that) then it might be wise to find something else. The business has always been interesting because of the demand for personnel. IF this isn't the case, then wages will drop and let's be honest here, this job can be quite stressfull, not to mention ungratefull.

Things change quite rapidly as well, your knowledge today will not be worth as much in 5-10 years from now. That's not the case in a lot of other fields, at least not to the same extent.

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@Mercenary848 said:

I am no expert, but the trap many of my arrogant friends with STEM majors fell into was the belief that their degree would make them magically immune to a hard job search. There is def a well earned comfort fact when your degree is in demand, but that doesn't always mean YOU are in demand

I think this is a great point. One must still have the desired skillset in order to get hired. A piece of paper called a degree, no matter if the degree is "in demand", guarantees work.

I disagree. What you need is a degree (at least it helps) and the ability to learn. Hiring people based on skillset for a vast majority of jobs is pointless. STEM area is not all rocket science. The right attitude and a desire to improve and make good things is all you need to succeed in a vast majority of roles. The whole "omg the hard job search thing" is over dramatic unless you're only accepting jobs that pay 200k or something. I contend that you could take 17 year old kids that never even went to college, train them and have badasses all over the place. The world is designed to waste time and fill it with fetch quests and boring grind that can be avoided by people who have the spark to make shit happen.

@Toxic-Seahorse

Good point. But how many applicants you think these posts receive?

@comp_atkins

Yes, learning to code is important, because the ones who can code seem to have it easy. I guess what people need to do is show that they can code through contributions to open source projects and the like.

@commander

Thanks for your personal experience. I think what you say is true but I also think that tech and the type of life and how it influences us all is much greater than it was 15 years ago.

@schu

I don't think the willingness to learn and having an agree go hand in hand. Some of the best programmers I've ever met never went to college. I think the want of learning is much more important than opportunities or the financial support one might have had in able to go to college.

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@Mercenary848 said:

I am no expert, but the trap many of my arrogant friends with STEM majors fell into was the belief that their degree would make them magically immune to a hard job search. There is def a well earned comfort fact when your degree is in demand, but that doesn't always mean YOU are in demand

I think this is a great point. One must still have the desired skillset in order to get hired. A piece of paper called a degree, no matter if the degree is "in demand", guarantees work.

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Are the number of technology jobs not increasing at the same rate as the number of people who have the skills to fill them?

Here is a youtube video I found a bit scary, but perhaps there is alot of truth in what he is saying. Has it become over saturated with grads and people looking for work?

The scary part of this is STEM jobs have been pushed quite aggressively here in the US so the bubble burst seems appropriate. But I wonder if we are seeing a contraction in actual software jobs (because there is more code and open source tools developers can use rather than another body), or is the number of those looking for work far out-passing the number of jobs in the field and increasing at a much greater rate.

https://youtu.be/rLGCpRPwtj0

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#4  Edited By curtisszmania
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I'm doin' it!

You think they'll notice?...

Who's in?

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No, but srsly. America's involvement in the Middle East is argued to be a precursor to the creation and expansion of ISIS. Do you agree with this notion? Or do you think that ISIS would have been created irregardless of circumstances in Iraq?

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@lostrib said:

what a load of spam

Not spam foo....

Answer the question!

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#7  Edited By curtisszmania
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Can America really be blamed for the creation of ISIS and the terrorist attacks were seeing by the group today?

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#8  Edited By curtisszmania
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Is not the belt a great balance and contrast to Trump? Wouldn't it sort of complete the other half of the ticket? Because it can't talk, and it doesn't have come over.

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