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#1 dethroned3
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Piracy is theft. tenaka2
Yeah but its like the best way of doing it, ships, the high seas, the freedom, walking the plank the boom (headshot) of the cannon, pet parrots. And if your lucky, an eye patch and a peg leg.

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[QUOTE="KalDurenik"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Nope. There are plenty of other copies on the shelf. They are all just copies of the original game pressed by the dev. Just copies. Bread_or_Decide

*facedesk* You are taking a physical copy of a game there for its stealing.

Nope. According to Mr. Minecraft if it's not the original copy it's not stealing. The original copy is at the devs house. It's okay to take copies. Physical? Digital? Doesn't matter. As long as it's not the original it's not theft because there are others out there.

You know I've lent my friends games. I don't put them online to lend them to a million strangers.

your comprehension skills fail.

he said, "If you copy a game, there are simply more of them in the world." the illegal copy of the game is not the oringal copy. the orginal copy can be considered as the physical copy that's being sold at retail.

also,

Copyright infringement is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works under copyright, infringing the copyright holder's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Walk into a best buy, grab a copy of a game (of which there are plenty of other copies on the shelf) and walk out without paying. If they stop you and try to arrest you just tell them, "Well there are plenty of other copies of the game. It's not theft because it's not the only one." I'm sure they will understand and let you continue on your way out of their store without paying for the game. Just because it's DIGITAL doesn't change the rules. It's merely the illusion that there is no store so there is no theft. Kind of reminds me when Radiohead released In Rainbows and let people set their own price. Most people paid nothing, because they were just entitled to Radioheads music. So for their latest Radiohead set a price because they realized people are cheap and have a strange sense of entitlement to anything that's digital. Bread_or_Decide

actually it IS theft because you stole the original physical copy.

Nope. There are plenty of other copies on the shelf. They are all just copies of the original game pressed by the dev. Just copies.

wrong wrong wrong!

if it's a physical copy, then it IS theft.

if you're downloading an intellectual property like a game or music, that's copyright infringement aka piracy

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[QUOTE="Nightflash28"]It's incredible how some of your guys are bending the truth to justify piracy. "It's not theft by definition". Maybe that statement is true, but that doesn't matter. Tell that to yourself to feel better. So there is this incredibly talented artist, right? He dedicates his life to painting amazing works of art which he intents to sell for money to sustain his living. That's the only thing he does.. And his paintings just frigging rock! Superior quality stuff! So he puts his paintings up to dry, expecting to sell them soon. While he sleeps, this other dude sneaks into his house and makes pictures of all the paintings, and the next morning, he just hands out free copies of them on the street. People take those prints, take them home and put them up on their wall. It's not stealing, right? The original paintings are still there! Other people can still buy them, no? But why should they, when the guy on the corner is giving out free copies! The original painter never sees a cent for his days, weeks and month of the work into which he put his heart and soul. He goes broke, loses his house and there's no happy ending for that guy. Now tell me again that this is fair. Nightflash28

another bad analogy. this is reality and we're dealing with the gaming industry here.

by your logic, activision and every other game developer should now be bankrupt.

How would they be bankrupt? Given that they wouldn't sell the original "paintings" but copies of course, I don't see how this analogy is far off. And let's not just talk major corporations, this is affecting indie devs just as much.

THe orignal painter in this case can be seen as a gaming developer. most gaming developers sell hundreds of thousands or millions of games.

'The original painter never sees a cent', but in reality, game developers make at least a cent with their games. eg, blizzard and starcraft 2, nintendo and super mario galaxy.

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it has overpriced peripherals and accessories.

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[QUOTE="dethroned3"]

[QUOTE="Nightflash28"]It's incredible how some of your guys are bending the truth to justify piracy. "It's not theft by definition". Maybe that statement is true, but that doesn't matter. Tell that to yourself to feel better. So there is this incredibly talented artist, right? He dedicates his life to painting amazing works of art which he intents to sell for money to sustain his living. That's the only thing he does.. And his paintings just frigging rock! Superior quality stuff! So he puts his paintings up to dry, expecting to sell them soon. While he sleeps, this other dude sneaks into his house and makes pictures of all the paintings, and the next morning, he just hands out free copies of them on the street. People take those prints, take them home and put them up on their wall. It's not stealing, right? The original paintings are still there! Other people can still buy them, no? But why should they, when the guy on the corner is giving out free copies! The original painter never sees a cent for his days, weeks and month of the work into which he put his heart and soul. He goes broke, loses his house and there's no happy ending for that guy. Now tell me again that this is fair. Bread_or_Decide

another bad analogy. this is reality and we're dealing with the gaming industry here.

by your logic, activision and every other game developer should now be bankrupt.

So because they are large faceless corporations that makes it ok? Is this some ridiculous notion of "fighting the system?"

since when did i say it's ok? read again.

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Walk into a best buy, grab a copy of a game (of which there are plenty of other copies on the shelf) and walk out without paying. If they stop you and try to arrest you just tell them, "Well there are plenty of other copies of the game. It's not theft because it's not the only one." I'm sure they will understand and let you continue on your way out of their store without paying for the game. Just because it's DIGITAL doesn't change the rules. It's merely the illusion that there is no store so there is no theft. Kind of reminds me when Radiohead released In Rainbows and let people set their own price. Most people paid nothing, because they were just entitled to Radioheads music. So for their latest Radiohead set a price because they realized people are cheap and have a strange sense of entitlement to anything that's digital. Bread_or_Decide

actually it IS theft because you stole the original physical copy.

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It's incredible how some of your guys are bending the truth to justify piracy. "It's not theft by definition". Maybe that statement is true, but that doesn't matter. Tell that to yourself to feel better. So there is this incredibly talented artist, right? He dedicates his life to painting amazing works of art which he intents to sell for money to sustain his living. That's the only thing he does.. And his paintings just frigging rock! Superior quality stuff! So he puts his paintings up to dry, expecting to sell them soon. While he sleeps, this other dude sneaks into his house and makes pictures of all the paintings, and the next morning, he just hands out free copies of them on the street. People take those prints, take them home and put them up on their wall. It's not stealing, right? The original paintings are still there! Other people can still buy them, no? But why should they, when the guy on the corner is giving out free copies! The original painter never sees a cent for his days, weeks and month of the work into which he put his heart and soul. He goes broke, loses his house and there's no happy ending for that guy. Now tell me again that this is fair. Nightflash28

another bad analogy. this is reality and we're dealing with the gaming industry here.

by your logic, activision and every other game developer should now be bankrupt.

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If I steal a car remove its stereo, wheels stuff it doesn't need to move then return it technically its not stealing right? Isn't the maker of minecraft swedish? yeah not one to judge but aren't the pirate bay guys that willingly offer a service so people CAN pirate stuff and then laugh at any one that tries to protect their rights from sweden?

Seems to me the maker of minecraft *i've yet to play it and have no interest too* is a pirate him self and is much like the rest making excuses.

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your analogy is incredibly illogical and whacked out.

on another note, i don't care if people download games to try them out. a downloaded game does not automatically equal to a loss sale.