Can tell a lot of the posters didn't play DMC 3 (non special edition) -- it was just as hard as NG and had an actual story. Team Ninja isn't really known for story telling but they have better characters. DMC 3 also had an insane death penalty and there wasn't an easy setting like NG and NGB so bad kids got stuck playing God of War.

The one caution about Ninja Gaiden 2 though is *Spoilers* you will have to wait until it's released for the third time on the PS 3 as Ninja Gaiden 2 Sigma - in order to play the whole game!

Personally, I think DMC 4 will surprise a lot of people new to the series (most of my RL NG addicted friends have never played DMC), and if anything I'm a Team Ninja Fan boy - I have always played the Dead or Alive series way to much!

I have all the achievments listed, and don't really go out of my way to get them, but GRAW's #1 player in world and don't have that many gamer points 1200 - never played guitar hero though.

Runners up from what I played - SS in Dead or Alive 4 - thats dedication IMO.

And single player Perfect Agent on perfect dark zero, I might have just had problems cause was my first X box game ever, but seemed hard and know is 5 times harder than any achievments in halo 3 or CoD 4.

Fallout 3 if it's anything like the original...Jet, kill any one and anything, no enemy scaling, etc.

Devil may cry 4 will be better than Ninja Guiden 2. Ninja Guiden 2 wont be fully finished/polished until it's released for the third time on the PS3 anyways. Think the reason NG is more popular than DMC is because the PS2 had way way more games and the original X box only had a few decent titles that people would play over and over.

Pfft God of War 2 was lame and both 1 and 2 are way to easy.

For FPS am pretty disappointed at Unreal Tournament 3 =*(