I just checked the forums and just noticed how every little baby out there will dismiss everything that they cant talk around. I just don't have the energy today to babysit. The one in particular is the word natural. Today natural and traditional are "hate speech" which in liberal terms means a road block to the destruction of God and America. I find it interesting that so many of these intellectuals pass these issues off as things of the past, they are irrelevant to today. Thats the same thing libs say about history. So nothing really matters except complaining about humanity. It is surprising how much they strive to befriend the radical Islamic fascist, the label that was not coined by Bush, yet they cant befriend everyday Americans that have morals. Morals, tradition, natural, these thing do not belong because they create "hate".  Hate is there favorite words and it is what they hide behind trying to blind others of theirs. Have you read "Brave New World"? This is a great book that describes liberalism and what direction it is going. People are created because of the biology that men and woman possess. These are thing that God has given us. This is another thing that libs are terrified of, God. They try their best to donate that authority to the government. So now if they can give the natural God given abilities to the government to own they can destroy God, tradition, and the nature of life. This is a little of what I am hearing out their in the intellectual liberal forums. Throw out the "natural" argument it is irrelevant, and the reason they give is artificial insemination. They would love to make sex a sport rather than a way to create life. It is so unfair because some people cant have kids naturally. There you go nature is not fair naturally and the government can make it fair. Gay people cant have kids through sex with a partner of the same sex and that is not fair. Wow nature is not fair again. We need to ban this nature thing before it gets out of hand. Libs are after a "Brave New World" where the government can make us all programmable to act fair and just, nature will be a folklore along with tradition, and God will no longer be necessary anymore because we have figured out how to do his job for Him, and do what He wont, make it fair for all.