[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]

They are also immoral because they do not recognize a woman's right to her body. Here is great insight from Ayn Rand on abortion.

If you do not want women to get abortions then you hate life and freedom.

Laihendi

guess you never left the leech stage, huh.

Either way abortion is perfectly fine until brain activity starts (a fetus is just a hunk of meat before then) and should be done on a case by case basis afterwords.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]"violent anti-government activities"

those activities can go from being noble and heroic to depraved and evil

BossPerson

In either case the government should have the right (only governments have actual rights) to do what i described.

How can an individual have rights?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Rehabilitation in this scenario is idiotic. if someone is found to have been engaged in violent anti-government activities they should be stripped of all "rights" (hate that joke of a word) and dealt with in the cheapest way possible, never to interact with society again.

BossPerson

those activities can go from being noble and heroic to depraved and evil

In either case the government should have the right (only governments have actual rights) to do what i described.

Rehabilitation in this scenario is idiotic. if someone is found to have been engaged in violent anti-government activities they should be stripped of all "rights" (hate that joke of a word) and dealt with in the cheapest way possible, never to interact with society again.

Alright got ya. So then, whens the movie out.

Evil_Saluki

Are you kidding?

the sequel is already out.

[QUOTE="Evil_Saluki"]

Just got up in the UK here, glad you guys sorted that out eventually. I can't say I was following everything closely but one thing that did nag in my mind, how come you didn't get a police helicopter locking their position down, in the UK our police Hellie guys are pro you can't run through a woods once they got a lock on you, they even see you inside buildings.

killzowned24

snap!

I'm more concerned about how quickly and efficiently police were able to shut down an entire city and just how many people were all right with the lock down.megam

i'd be worried if they couldn't.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Apparently the dude ran his own brother with the car when initially escaping. Fail.

The_Capitalist

He did. Saw the pic of his brother at the hospital/morgue. Dude looked destroyed

Well, he did blow himself up a little and suffered from a number of gunshot wounds.

know where i can find that pic?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The military and interventionist stuff is basically what has created the terrorism you're experiencing. In fact a big interventionist military presence has been the doom of many empires including the Roman. History has shown that when you lose moral authority military authority means little and the empires start crumbling from within, their own citizens start turning against it which is what's happening to the US now in a way. kuraimen

Rome was not a technocracy.All non-technocratic governments will wallow in inefficiency and corruption until they fail and/or become tyrannies.

The US is not a technocracy thus it is inefficient and corrupt. Just because im an authoritarian does not mean i blindly follow the current system.

The US is however the only state that i believe will one day be able to support a strong authoritarian technocratic meritocracy.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The guys were Muslims. How many calls for jihad have you heard from the ME? A jihad is a call for ALL Muslims to destroy the infidels, which, in this case are the US or even the west. Many Muslims everywhere will no doubt heed that call.kuraimen

I disagree with literaly everything you said.

The most important things for a state is an overwhelming military and an educated and happy population. It is also imperative to have a strong international presence and to have little restraint, few restrictions and a firm hand when dealing with any foreign group/state.

Rome was not a technocracy.All non-technocratic governments will wallow in inefficiency and corruption until they fail and/or become tyrannies.