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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] His English is proficient if a bit boring as it always reads the same. His critical thinking skills however are questionable at best, I don't think I've ever seen him reach a conclusion that hasn't already been reached for him which leads to a lot of unfortunate implications he isn't aware of being brought up. His articulation is fine, no doubt, it's just that you could articulately explain what sh*tting your pants in front of hundreds of people feels like competently but in the end you've still sh*t your pants in front of hundreds of people. Ace6301

You seem to be twisting my words a tad.

oh, thats ok then.:P

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] I didn't say anything about economics, though your idea that the experts can just decide what to do betrays a vast ignorance of what economics even is.Rhazakna

i never meant that "experts" (bad term i know) would be able to solve all are problems, i simply meant that it would be much more efficient to have a fluid system which could be altered based on what people who have been in the economic field (of many different studies and opinions) feel might work given an economic situation. Of cource even among professionals there will be disagreements and debates and a certain amount of trial and error.

essentialy what i'm saying is cut out the middle man (parties and politicians) and let the people with knowledge in the field figure out the solution (much as they already are).

however i do concede that economic policy is easily the weakest link in the technocratic system.

I fail to see how it will be any worse then the current system. these mutually exclusive methodolgies are already banging heads with each other except they do it with politicians instead of basing it off prior success (keep in mind this is also a meritocracy so the economists with the most history of success will also have the most pull) .

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]dude you're stupid.

Ace6301

Lai is a lot of things, stupid is not one of them.

He can articulate his arguments better then most on OT, certainly better than you.

You seem to be twisting my words a tad.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] I never said the left or right had anything to do with authoritarianism in themselves. There are libertarian and authoritarian strains of rightism and leftism. My point was that if you want to spread the kind of ideas you profess, the people who will be the most receptive are those who identify with the alt-right.Rhazakna

fair enough... i guess.

But the alt-right hasn't been in favor of technocracy all that much.

Who says i was trying to?

besides my economic prefs are based off biases and circumstance not my ideals. i generally don't mention economics because it has little to do with my agenda. the economy is something to be decided only after the technocratic government is in power and thus the proper experts can determine what is best for the country. i wouldn't support anyone who still affiliates with a party after coming to power, and i don't think many partied officials will be willing to give up their support network and delegate their jobs to experts.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] What do you mean by "leftist tendencies"? If you want to spread the idea of an authoritarian technocratic meritocracy, the alt-right is the place to go, not the left or the center.Rhazakna

The left or right has nothing to do with Authoritarianism.

By leftist tendencies i mean that when i do lean one way or the other it's usualy to the left (no where near socialism mind you).

either way in the system i support my economic opinion wouldn't matter (me not being an economist).

fair enough... i guess.

But the alt-right hasn't been in favor of technocracy all that much.

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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] No,I don't think of fascism as something special in any sense, good or bad. I've had a lot of experience interacting with people on the "alternative right" (as they call it), many of whom are essentially neo-fascists (though, like you, they don't like that term). Most of their ideas are pretty mundane, though they're still radicals considering the narrow range of the modern political lexicon. Rhazakna

i'm actualy a moderate with leftist tendencies.

The left or right has nothing to do with Authoritarianism.

By leftist tendencies i mean that when i do lean one way or the other it's usualy to the left (no where near socialism mind you).

either way in the system i support my economic opinion wouldn't matter (me not being an economist).

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] So you think healthy social interaction involves the threat of physical force? Social interaction and cooperation is entirely possible without people having a gun held to their heads. Also you are ignoring the countless technologies and innovations invented by private individuals and produced by privately operated organizations. The idea that you have a right to control me at gunpoint because we are "social animals" is hilarious.Laihendi

I never said anything about guns nor violence, though i did mention that the governing body must also be supportive of those governed.

Also you seem to be ignoring all the things that can't be produced by private individuals. besides i never once said i had any problem with private orginizations, I just don't value them as much as you.

come on lai let's try be civil about this.

Don't recall mentioning force either.

Well for individuals i imagine you know just how much they can't make on their own.

How would these private organizations even come about without the support and protection of a strong governing body? Whats to stop a foreign force from just taking your private assets?

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What can you honestly expect from a publicly elected official?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]on average they're going to be better rulers.

MakeMeaSammitch

Lai is a lot of things, stupid is not one of them.

He can articulate his arguments better then most on OT, certainly better than you.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Neither system is good. You are making the assumption that there needs to be someone making large amounts of legislation to control all aspects of life. Each individual should manage his own finances, and only his. Each individual should choose his healthcare strategy, and only his. When each individual is responsible for himself and only himself, the stupidity and failures of others are of no consequence to him.Laihendi

Sorry but i like the infrastucture and technology that only a large federal government could provide. Humans are social animals and do not operate efficiently as individuals (not that i don't value individuality, but at the extreeme you want it it would only serve to hurt humanity as a whole) we can only get things done as a large group governed by a strong and supportive government.

What you have described sounds like an agrarian hell, as wanted by that idiot Jefferson (thank god he didn't practice what he preached).

I never said anything about guns nor violence, though i did mention that the governing body must also be supportive of those governed.

Also you seem to be ignoring all the things that can't be produced by private individuals. besides i never once said i had any problem with private orginizations, I just don't value them as much as you.

come on lai let's try be civil about this.