[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] So if you have a better understanding of economics then your neighbor, you have a right to control his finances? If you have a better understanding of medicine, then you have a right to determine what drugs/vaccines he is forced to take? There is no logical connection between knowledge within a discipline and authority to control someone's life. Those are two completely different things that are not relevant to each other at all. Again, this is just another excuse to control someone at the point of a gun.Laihendi

How is that any worse then a system in which alot of idiots vote for a few bigger richer idiots who then go on to make laws and legislation (which affect everyone) about things that they don't even understand?

Sorry but i like the infrastucture and technology that only a large federal government could provide. Humans are social animals and do not operate efficiently as individuals (not that i don't value individuality, but at the extreeme you want it it would only serve to hurt humanity as a whole) we can only get things done as a large group governed by a strong and supportive government.

What you have described sounds like an agrarian hell, as wanted by that idiot Jefferson (thank god he didn't practice what he preached).

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Yeah, but you're an openly admitted fascist, so who cares?Rhazakna

i'm not quite a fascist, but i see you still use the term like it's a dirty word.

i'm actualy a moderate with leftist tendencies.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Yeah, but you're an openly admitted fascist, so who cares?Laihendi

i'm not quite a fascist, but i see you still use the term like it's a dirty word.

You act as if violence is a given. I don't think it is.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Yes on average an intelligent man will be more competent ruling than an idiot. What is your point? No one is advocating having the mentally disabled become authoritarian dictators. Someone being knowledgeable within a specific discipline is no reason for him to rule the lives of others. There is no logical connection between that. You argument exists on the assumption that there has to be a ruler, that people cannot be allowed to be free to live their own lives without coercion (or the threat of it). Technocracy is just another excuse to hold a gun to someone's head.Laihendi

Well in the system i support the federal government while being several magnitudes larger and more powerful will lack a point of centralized power, thus removing most of the possibility of a tyrant (i do not advocate tyrants). legislative decisions will be made by small groups of trained professionals who only have power in their own field. this system would completely remove the idea of popular elections. For example only economists have any say in matters of the economy, only medical professionals will have any say on medical legislation and only experienced and proven military officials will be able to vote on military matters.

This system aims to remove both the common man and the politician (as well as politics) from government.

How is that any worse then a system in which alot of idiots vote for a few bigger richer idiots who then go on to make laws and legislation (which affect everyone) about things that they don't even understand?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]The political class as a whole (not just Dems) are absolutely more of a threat to Americans than Kim Jong UnRhazakna

I've been saying that for 5 pages. -.-

i'm not quite a fascist, but i see you still use the term like it's a dirty word.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Easy hell, it does not sound humanly possible.

worlock77

It's attitudes like that which have been keeping humanity down for millenia.

I for one am not satisfied with mediocrity.

Right, since I don't have unrealistic expectations about removing politics from government (especially massive governments), then I obviously like mediocrity. :roll:

Didn't say that. What i meant was that if you arent willing to work for your ideals (yours may be different, and thats fine) then you are doomed to mediocrity.

The political class as a whole (not just Dems) are absolutely more of a threat to Americans than Kim Jong UnRhazakna

I've been saying that for 5 pages. -.-

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]I'm no polisci major, but somehow "removing politics from government" sounds kind of like "removing salt water from the ocean."

worlock77

I never said it would be easy.

Easy hell, it does not sound humanly possible.

It's attitudes like that which have been keeping humanity down for millenia.

I for one am not satisfied with mediocrity.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

This system aims to remove both the common man and the politician (as well as politics) from government.

PannicAtack

I never said it would be easy.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that many of the most vicious and violent dictators/rulers in human history have also been exceptionally intelligent? Great intelligence does not make someone fit to rule if they use that intelligence for evil and destructive purposes.Laihendi

Well in the system i support the federal government while being several magnitudes larger and more powerful will lack a point of centralized power, thus removing most of the possibility of a tyrant (i do not advocate tyrants). legislative decisions will be made by small groups of trained professionals who only have power in their own field. this system would completely remove the idea of popular elections. For example only economists have any say in matters of the economy, only medical professionals will have any say on medical legislation and only experienced and proven military officials will be able to vote on military matters.

This system aims to remove both the common man and the politician (as well as politics) from government.