Strike my objection I thought I had read the full TOS guidelines last night before I posted. I got about half way down and when it got into the long paragraphs I scanned to the point of the credit card guidelines and sorta thought yeah all important info read.

Secondly I would like to point out the the word "Refrain" is a indefinate article, which unlike NO or DON'T do not give a definate sense of action to be taken. Avoid which is a synonym for Refrain is most likely the best example for my case in point. The Language is vague until you read the extended paragraph which is more emphatic in it's wording.

Something to think about

Homma_Cavoola

See I would have leant towards the fact that the rate of Wii failures is a bucketload lower then PS3's whom are on an order of magnitude lower fails then 360. Plus you are right, Wii has sold like 20-30 million units world wide vs XBox 360's 8-10 million to ps3's 3-5.

And who knows, maybe Nintendo just threw a bunch of money at 7/Yahoo and said "No means are too low for you to sell our console"

Meh, anyway......

Homma_Cavoola

Ok, now before I begin, I'd like to state that this is not an attempt to flame out anyone's favourite game/console. Despite what you may get from the title. The term Muppets comes from Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and refers to a scene in which one Harry Lonsdale tells Barry to hire some guys for a job but to make sure they're not complete Muppets. This sentiment explains how I feel about most "Fictional" FPS game and story developers, note the content creators not the guys who develop the framework. Coders rule.

Alright, now that I've explained the quote to you, lets get into the subject I want to talk about. First Person Shooters, and they're utterly over-used, boring cliche'd storylines.

Example: Go and look at any FPS that isn't supposed to be a realistic shooter, realistic shooters being for example COD 4, Rainbow Six Las Vegas and Ghost Recon just to name a few. Now let's look at some Fictional FPS's and Survival Horrors that mimic FPS. Half-Life 1&2, Farcry, Crysis, Condemned 1&2.

Let's look at the plotlines that these games devolve into. Half-Life : Aliens and Mutanagenic Monsters Farcry : Mutanagenic Monsters, Crysis : Aliens, Condemned 1&2 : Aliens/Mutanagenic Monsters, not really sure which.

Now note I don't pick on Resistance: Fall of Man, as it's a PS3 title that makes no bones of what it's about.

My main concern is that all "Fictional" FPS games for a long time have been over abusing the whole Aliens/Mutanagenic Monsters/Guy developing paranormal powers storyline. Unlike Fear which is an example of non cliche'd story telling. It uses psychokinesis as a minor plot device. IE: it simply states the the commander commands his troops psychicly hence why he's not around.

As opposed to Prey which even though it combines Mutanagenic Monsters, Aliens AND a guy who develops powers, it was revolutionary in it's Portal and Alterable gravity single/multi player setup and it's cool and funky organic weaponary.

Now, let's go back a few years to probably my favourite old school FPS of all time. Wheel of Time, based on Robert Jordan's (We all mourn your passing) book series The Wheel of Time, based on the original UT Engine. Why is wheel of time which uses the creatures (though not mutanagenic) from the books cool. Because you start fighting Trollocs, move up to half men (characters who can disappear into shadows and jump you at will) and eventually a single Forsaken, Forsaken being humans who chose to serve the books equivalent of Saitan.

What's your overall point you say. Well it's this, FPS story creators seem to have found these three over abused plot arcs and are continuing to shell out generic similar seeming games, which make use of the same engine, with the same similar seeming content and promote it as the next best thing. So my message is simple

DEVELOPERS LEAVE THE MONSTERS, ALIENS AND THE GUY WITH POWERS AT HOME. And bother to come up with something that actually tries to engage me. Something with Versimilitude (I suggest you look it up) or else you'll fully realise a generation of gamers who enviscerate the Emperor in Oblivion simply because there is no motivation to care or help him.

Or is it just me? Am I too demanding to expect more then 5-10 hours of storyboarded content in a FPS. Considering Simulator games which have much more content to render get a bucketload of more story time in.

Homma_Cavoola

Note : reposted without any content that anyone can object to as being not fully obscured. Further note, an objection to my original topic being locked is forthcoming. I simply wanted to get this discussion out there into the general public.

I would have to say Plainscape : Bitter Torment had the best storyline or premise I've ever seen.

Yes it's D&D orientated, and old, as it was build on the Baldur's gate engine. But the ability to con people out of cash for your corpse never gets old. Plus the game actually allows you to WILL someone into existance.

Ok, now before I begin, I'd like to state that this is not an attempt to flame out anyone's favourite game/console. Despite what you may get from the title. The term ******* Muppets comes from Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and refers to a scene in which one Harry Lonsdale tells Barry to hire some guys for a job but to make sure they're not complete ******* Muppets. This sentiment explains how I feel about most "Fictional" FPS game and story developers, note the content creators not the guys who develop the framework. Coders rule.

Alright, now that I've explained the quote to you, lets get into the subject I want to talk about. First Person Shooters, and they're utterly over-used, boring cliche'd storylines.

Example: Go and look at any FPS that isn't supposed to be a realistic shooter, realistic shooters being for example COD 4, Rainbow Six Las Vegas and Ghost Recon just to name a few. Now let's look at some Fictional FPS's and Survival Horrors that mimic FPS. Half-Life 1&2, Farcry, Crysis, Condemned 1&2.

Let's look at the plotlines that these games devolve into. Half-Life : Aliens and Mutanagenic Monsters Farcry : Mutanagenic Monsters, Crysis : Aliens, Condemned 1&2 : Aliens/Mutanagenic Monsters, not really sure which.

Now note I don't pick on Resistance: Fall of Man, as it's a PS3 title that makes no bones of what it's about.

My main concern is that all "Fictional" FPS games for a long time have been over abusing the whole Aliens/Mutanagenic Monsters/Guy developing paranormal powers storyline. Unlike Fear which is an example of non cliche'd story telling. It uses psychokinesis as a minor plot device. IE: it simply states the the commander commands his troops psychicly hence why he's not around.

As opposed to Prey which even though it combines Mutanagenic Monsters, Aliens AND a guy who develops powers, it was revolutionary in it's Portal and Alterable gravity single/multi player setup and it's cool and funky organic weaponary.

Now, let's go back a few years to probably my favourite old school FPS of all time. Wheel of Time, based on Robert Jordan's (We all mourn your passing) book series The Wheel of Time, based on the original UT Engine. Why is wheel of time which uses the creatures (though not mutanagenic) from the books cool. Because you start fighting Trollocs, move up to half men (characters who can disappear into shadows and jump you at will) and eventually a single Forsaken, Forsaken being humans who chose to serve the books equivalent of Saitan.

What's your overall point you say. Well it's this, FPS story creators seem to have found these three over abused plot arcs and are continuing to shell out generic similar seeming games, which make use of the same engine, with the same similar seeming content and promote it as the next best thing. So my message is simple

DEVELOPERS LEAVE THE MONSTERS, ALIENS AND THE GUY WITH POWERS AT HOME. And bother to come up with something that actually tries to engage me. Something with Versimilitude (I suggest you look it up) or else you'll fully realise a generation of gamers who enviscerate the Emperor in Oblivion simply because there is no motivation to care or help him.

Homma_Cavoola

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