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#1 klubbis
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Nationalised health care is brilliant, I would rather live in a country that provided it. Health should be available to every single person, no matter how much money they have in their wallets.Marx_Brother
I totally agree, healthcare is nothing for buisnessmen to profit on. Even though I'd like another phrase than "nationalized healthcare", I would prefer "community healthcare" or something like that =). Nationalized gives you the idea that the "state" controls everything, and thats not the way it should work. Money from the state, yes, but healthcare from the community.
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#2 klubbis
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[QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="klubbis"]Socialized health care works fine here in scandinavia. The problem with private care is that it relies on profit, and curing people isnt profitable, treatment is. Imagine the following scenario: 2 great medical scientists ,working in the private sector, find a cure for aids. It can be applied orally via a small pill at a very low production cost. Is the world freed from aids? No. It is much more profitable to treat millions and millions of patients every month than to cure them forever with one small pill. It is just wrong to blend profit and peoples health, personally I think it's a sick idea to begin with. Sure, Taxes are very high where I live. Hell, I spend 33% of my paycheck on it. But for that money we collectively pay for the following: *free education (yes, ALL education is free) *Free medical care(one of the best in the world, for real) *Free dental care until the age of 20 *Great infrastructure *A great social security system *A good elderly care As far as I'm concerned It's worth it. Sure, everyting isn't perfect, but at least we're looking out for each other.

If that's what you guys want to do, I say go for it. And of course you have a right to weigh in if nationalized healthcare is a good idea, but in relation to the US, it's a TERRIBLE idea. Scandinavia has a for more group-minded society, while Americans thrive on individualism. I'm sure you don't know this, but many Americans, especially those who make over $200,000, pay as much as 50% or more (depending on location) in taxes. Your 33% tax rate looks wonderful by comparison. Furthermore, regardless of whether people agree with our current policies in Iraq, Americans demand a large, powerful military. We can't have both and in the end, the US will choose a strong military over nationalized healthcare. Finally, we're already in debt up to our ears thanks to every president since Herbert Hoover. The 3rd largest amount of federal (national) spending goes to just pay the INTEREST on our debt, not the actual debt itself. And the debt is getting bigger- do we really need the government to take control of healthcare when we can't even fund our current obligations? If the government would pay off the debt, then we can talk about additional expenditures.

Good points. Though I must raise the question whiether americans really want a large-scale military as you have now. I'm actually half-american and many of my relatives over there are pretty p***ed at what their tax money is going to. I can understand that people want a decent defensive military, but waging two wars at once on the other side of the planet does get expensive(I don't want this to turn in to a pro vs anti war discussion). Of course, I'm guessing I don't have half the insight that you who's living there have, just some thoughts from my perspective. In scandinavia, or at least in Sweden, we also have a income based tax system. I think this in essence is a good thing, if it's balanced fairly.
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#3 klubbis
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Socialized health care works fine here in scandinavia. The problem with private care is that it relies on profit, and curing people isnt profitable, treatment is. Imagine the following scenario: 2 great medical scientists ,working in the private sector, find a cure for aids. It can be applied orally via a small pill at a very low production cost. Is the world freed from aids? No. It is much more profitable to treat millions and millions of patients every month than to cure them forever with one small pill. It is just wrong to blend profit and peoples health, personally I think it's a sick idea to begin with. Sure, Taxes are very high where I live. Hell, I spend 33% of my paycheck on it. But for that money we collectively pay for the following: *free education (yes, ALL education is free) *Free medical care(one of the best in the world, for real) *Free dental care until the age of 20 *Great infrastructure *A great social security system *A good elderly care As far as I'm concerned It's worth it. Sure, everyting isn't perfect, but at least we're looking out for each other.
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#4 klubbis
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Nice collections everyone.