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#1  Edited By muleheadjoe
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@Zlurodirom said:

@airshocker: So I have a hypothetical. Let's say I go with the motherboard you recommended and don't get a graphics card. How long would it take for no cards, or a small number, to not be compatible with the motherboard (like if I got a graphics card 5 years down the road). What I am asking is, how quickly do motherboards go out of style and I would need a new one to support graphics cards still being produced.

This same thought could be used for the processor, though if it can support the latest Haswell(?) chips then it likely won't be too limited in that respect?

Also you do think it's worth it spending $30 more on windows 7? As far as I know Microsoft doesn't allow student discounts for windows 7 anymore... (at least they don't advertise it).

You can get valid copies of Win7 online for around 60 bux. It's all over eBay.

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#2 muleheadjoe
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@airshocker said:

@muleheadjoe said:

@airshocker said:

@muleheadjoe said:

You can buy a fairly robust but lightweight system from any major pc manufacturer (hp, dell, gateway, etc.) and upgrade components at will over time. The biggest problem with buying a new pc from a standard maker is they almost ALL have Win8 as your only choice of OS and Win8 is pure garbage for gaming (and everything else for that matter). You can go to smaller builders and many, if not most, of them allow you to choose Win7 as the OS which is to be preferred.

Many 'gaming rig' builders are offering "entry level" pc's around 500 bux (monitor, mouse, & keyboard usually NOT included). CyberPowerPC, iBuyPower, and Alienware all have starters in that range.

If you're adventurous, you can build your own machine and for your 600 bux get a pretty tasty machine. But there are risks involved in building your own (if you don't have steady hands, or are lax about tidy workspaces, you could easily cause irreparable damage to components while trying to put stuff together ... that's why I prefer to have a professional build my pc's).

PC Gamer magazine (trip dub pcgamer dot com) has regular articles about building rigs.

I've been building PCs since I was 12. When I built my first PC I didn't have steady hands, nor did I know what I was doing. My first PC never broke and I've been building them ever since. Don't scare the guy with bullshit. You don't need a professional to build a PC.

No need to be rude ... no, I don't need a professional to build a pc for me, I *choose* to have a professional build it for me. I can afford it, and don't want to have to spend time winkling out issues and I am massively risk averse ... I've been gaming on PCs for 2 decades pally, so I'm sure I've been around the block as much if not more than thee. I've broken stuff trying to upgrade my PCs (I remember upgrading to a 2400 baud internal modem and breaking something inside the pc case because I did not know what I was doing). Rolling your own if fine if you put the time and effort into researching components to be sure that part A works with part B. There are guides online, but again you have to put the time and effort into finding & reading & comprehending such. It can be fun if you are a hands-on kind of person, but not everybody wants to go that way.

So my advice is fine for the OP. Just coz it doesn't trip your trigger doesn't make it wrong.

It's not rude to call something you say bullshit. It's the internet and people will disagree with you. Get over it.

You make it sound like simply sticking your hand inside your PC will break something. That is simply not the case. PC parts are made to be sturdy. They're made to be handled. I've dropped my video card down the stairs before and it was fine. Obviously I wouldn't suggest doing that, but you get the point.

You don't need to know anything about PCs to put one together. There are a PLETHORA of guides online that tell you exactly what to do. With pictures and videos and everything. So again, stop trying to scare the guy.

Yah, actually it is rude. Calling my post "bullshit" is not "disagreeing" with me, it's the same as calling me a liar to my face. Not cool.

Nothing I posted was false, misleading or "scary" ... I was not "trying to scare the guy", I was offering reasonable advice and pointing out that there are risks with building your own rig. Maybe 95% of all homebrews go down without a hiccup, but that other 5% is pure frustration. I figure that the guy should at least *know* of the risk, even if it's a *small* risk. Your advice, which I take to be essentially saying "dude ain't nuttin gonna go wrong, just do it" could be construed as potentially misleading optimism in general, or in the case of a worst outcome event, as intentionally egging someone on with bad advice.

I know, because I've been there, that it's frickin easy to blow a card by being unstrapped and unintentionally zapping it with static. I know how easy it is to damage slots and cards if you twitch at the wrong time while trying to make "tab A slide into slot B" with cheap hardware that isn't perfectly aligned. Sure, most little dings won't cause a major failure, but the chance / opportunity / risk is there. I can find hundreds, probably thousands, of posts in various forums on any given day where people are saying "I was building my own rig, got mobo A and RAM B and CPU C and when I put it together it all went titsup" ... this obviously shows that it's fairly easy to screw things up if you're building your own rig and don't know what you're doing.

Given sufficient knowledge about selecting components and how to put them all together in the right manner, then good eyesight, steady hands, and a reasonably clean workspace will greatly enhance the liklihood of a successful outcome. If a person couldn't afford (or was unwilling) to buy replacement components if they accidentally damaged them, I would suggest buying a system off the shelf rather than building his own. The OP stated that he has a limited budget and while he's not looking for a "gaming rig" he may look to upgrade some components at some unspecified point in time down the road, so it makes perfect sense to me to buy an off-the-shelf system. For any major name brand system, all the components have already been verified for compatibility, appropriate device drivers installed, and fresh hardware "burned in" as need. The downside to OTS boxes are limited customizability, can't always pick the coolest looking hardware in your price range, and you generally won't have as much performance per dollar compared to rolling your own.

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#3 muleheadjoe
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@airshocker said:

@Zlurodirom said:

Well, what I basically parted for you is a light to medium gaming computer. If you're not interested in that I would suggest upping the CPU. The CPU is what gives you the integrated graphics. Obviously the better the CPU, the better performance. I'm a video gamer, so video cards are a must in every single one of my builds.

Graphics cards definitely enhance everyday use. They make web-browsing a little bit faster and will be invaluable if you plan on watching multimedia. Takes the strain off of your CPU.

I'm a big proponent of Win 7. It's far superior to Win 8 in almost every way.

With what I parted for you you will be able to upgrade later on down the road. The PSU won't need to be upgraded unless you go for a real bad boy of a card. For the 260x, though, 500w is more than enough. And it's a Corsair gold rated PSU. Can't beat that.

I think I'd generally agree with you & your recommendations for those that want to 'roll your own' ... don't know if this matters, but wanted to clarify that "integrated graphics" generally means a graphic chipset "integrated" on the motherboard, not in the cpu itself.

I like this website for comparing video cards: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ ... it enables you to compare relative performance between different cards more easily (also info on other components is available on other tabs).

Though, if the OP wants to save some time and effort, just buying an off-the-shelf low-cost box should serve him fine. Just about any off the shelf unit can be upgraded by the end user (though not really sure about Dells ... they used to have a really bad rep for proprietary hardware that could only be replaced with Dell-brand components). I've owned HP, Acer, Lenovo, and white box homebrew, and I was able to open them up and change things around at will.

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#4  Edited By muleheadjoe
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@airshocker said:

@muleheadjoe said:

You can buy a fairly robust but lightweight system from any major pc manufacturer (hp, dell, gateway, etc.) and upgrade components at will over time. The biggest problem with buying a new pc from a standard maker is they almost ALL have Win8 as your only choice of OS and Win8 is pure garbage for gaming (and everything else for that matter). You can go to smaller builders and many, if not most, of them allow you to choose Win7 as the OS which is to be preferred.

Many 'gaming rig' builders are offering "entry level" pc's around 500 bux (monitor, mouse, & keyboard usually NOT included). CyberPowerPC, iBuyPower, and Alienware all have starters in that range.

If you're adventurous, you can build your own machine and for your 600 bux get a pretty tasty machine. But there are risks involved in building your own (if you don't have steady hands, or are lax about tidy workspaces, you could easily cause irreparable damage to components while trying to put stuff together ... that's why I prefer to have a professional build my pc's).

PC Gamer magazine (trip dub pcgamer dot com) has regular articles about building rigs.

I've been building PCs since I was 12. When I built my first PC I didn't have steady hands, nor did I know what I was doing. My first PC never broke and I've been building them ever since. Don't scare the guy with bullshit. You don't need a professional to build a PC.

No need to be rude ... no, I don't need a professional to build a pc for me, I *choose* to have a professional build it for me. I can afford it, and don't want to have to spend time winkling out issues and I am massively risk averse ... I've been gaming on PCs for 2 decades pally, so I'm sure I've been around the block as much if not more than thee. I've broken stuff trying to upgrade my PCs (I remember upgrading to a 2400 baud internal modem and breaking something inside the pc case because I did not know what I was doing). Rolling your own if fine if you put the time and effort into researching components to be sure that part A works with part B. There are guides online, but again you have to put the time and effort into finding & reading & comprehending such. It can be fun if you are a hands-on kind of person, but not everybody wants to go that way.

So my advice is fine for the OP. Just coz it doesn't trip your trigger doesn't make it wrong.

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You can buy a fairly robust but lightweight system from any major pc manufacturer (hp, dell, gateway, etc.) and upgrade components at will over time. The biggest problem with buying a new pc from a standard maker is they almost ALL have Win8 as your only choice of OS and Win8 is pure garbage for gaming (and everything else for that matter). You can go to smaller builders and many, if not most, of them allow you to choose Win7 as the OS which is to be preferred.

Many 'gaming rig' builders are offering "entry level" pc's around 500 bux (monitor, mouse, & keyboard usually NOT included). CyberPowerPC, iBuyPower, and Alienware all have starters in that range.

If you're adventurous, you can build your own machine and for your 600 bux get a pretty tasty machine. But there are risks involved in building your own (if you don't have steady hands, or are lax about tidy workspaces, you could easily cause irreparable damage to components while trying to put stuff together ... that's why I prefer to have a professional build my pc's).

PC Gamer magazine (trip dub pcgamer dot com) has regular articles about building rigs.

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Just wanted to say thanks to all the guys that took the time to post a cogent response ... y'all helped me a lot :-)

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I can't quite find any clear answers on the retail sites, so thought I'd try this crowd ...

My kid wants an XBox 360 for his birthday in a couple weeks. I see that there are 2 basic configurations: the 4GB and the 250GB ... the 250 is about $100 more than the 4 ... and I don't grasp what exactly I'd be getting for that extra 100 bux ... I mean, disk is cheap, they can't really be charging a hundred bux for just a hard drive, can they?

I'm trying to do my due diligence ... went to Microsoft's own XBox site ... it sucks, can't easily compare specs between the different configurations.

Another pain point is I can't find a clear explanation about the "Xbox LIVE" service ... is this service MANDATORY to play games online? Is it a subscription service? I'm fine with paying to purchase & download games, but I'm not interested in any kind of subscription. I tried to suss out the details on MS's website, but every single statement there is caveat'd with "Xbox LIVE Gold membership and additional subscriptions and requirements may apply."

I hate weasel words like "may apply" ... either it applies or it doesn't, and my $@! decision to spend money is largely dependant upon that application or lack thereof.

If anybody can provide a clear & detailed explanation of the differences between the Xbox 4GB & the Xbox 250GB, along with an explanation of any requirements for online use, I'd really appreciate it.